Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Simon Poole
I personally can't see enough wiggle room both in the ODbL and the CTs to make any dataset generated by geocoding and/or reverse geocoding anything else than a derivative database. It is just the ODbL working as intended. We went through a lot of effort to get from a broken to a functional

[OSM-legal-talk] CTs, procedure to change of the license

2012-10-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
During the license change from cc-by-sa to ODbL the issue was raised that 3 weeks for an active contributor to respond to a voting for a license change was not sufficient and IIRR the response was that this would be dealt with later. What is the view on this? How can this detail be changed, and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs, procedure to change of the license

2012-10-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
I found the thread: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-CT-time-period-for-reply-to-a-new-license-change-active-contributor-td5270119.html basically what Michael Collinson wrote makes sense: - In the case of a major license change, there would be a run up of at least several months of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs, procedure to change of the license

2012-10-25 Thread Pavel Pisa
Hello Martin and all others, thanks for opening the CT discussion. I have expressed significant concerns about it more times already and I keep uncomfortable with it wording and way it has been established On Thursday 25 October 2012 15:31:10 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I found the thread:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Alex Barth
I'd hate to see us give up here, there is too much at stake. The open questions around geocoding are doing OSM a disservice just as CC-BY-SA did. This is from a commercial community member's perspective just as an individual's, assuming we all want a better open map. Opening OSM to geocoding

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Mikel Maron
I don't see the issue with companies complying with like-for-like. There is some logistical burden, but that could be offloaded by geocoding services. There's something to explain, but there's something to explain with OSM anyhow. OSM is open for geocoding, that can be worked out. I don't see

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 25.10.2012 17:30, Mikel Maron wrote: I don't see the issue with companies complying with like-for-like. There is some logistical burden, but that could be offloaded by geocoding services. +1 - I think we're all (including LWG) still waiting for concrete use case where somebody says:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Mikel Maron
 geocoding patient data, client data, suppliers data, members data With this kind of sensitive private data, the database would not be redistributed, hence not invoking share-alike.   * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Alex Barth

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Alex Barth
On Oct 25, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: +1 for examples. I'm working on pulling some together. The like for like principle overlooks that data submitted to geocoders can be sensitive for privacy or IP reasons. Think of geocoding patient data, client data, suppliers

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Alex Barth
And this is where SA gets really hairy. It's entirely possible and actually quite common that part of a database that contains private data is public. E. g. public facing web sites that are powered from a Salesforce DB through a private API. Again, we need real-world examples. Working on this.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [Talk-us] press from SOTM US

2012-10-25 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 4:12 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: And this is where SA gets really hairy. It's entirely possible and actually quite common that part of a database that contains private data is public. E. g. public facing web sites that are powered from a Salesforce DB