Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/10/30 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: See also: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Closed_Issues#What_sort_of_access_to_Derivative_Databases_is_required.3F The page is quite old; the green boxes represent legal advice that we have received at the time. It is also

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-30 Thread Jonathan Harley
(After a hiatus - I've been discussing this off-list with Anthony and others.) On 22/10/12 23:13, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/10/22 Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net: Anyway, the ODbL is explicit that an image is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-30 Thread Michael Collinson
Hi Igor and fellow legal-talk, A rather long email, so summary: I am rather hijacking Igor's email, but I hope it will help provide an answer though not immediately. The present Trivial Transformation Community Guideline, [1], is applying tactics and discussion without having any overriding

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-30 Thread Igor Brejc
Hi Michael, For my part, I really like your proposed wording and I hope we'll reach consensus on these issues in a way that satisfies both producers and consumers of OSM data. Best regards, Igor On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: ** Hi Igor and fellow

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-30 Thread Igor Brejc
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: On 10/30/12 08:19, Igor Brejc wrote: Some then say that these in-memory data structures are also Derivative Databases. In what form can you then offer such a Database to someone that requests it? I don't think

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-30 Thread Michael Collinson
On 30/10/2012 13:07, Jonathan Harley wrote: (After a hiatus - I've been discussing this off-list with Anthony and others.) [snip] One thing that's confusing me, is that http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright does not say what license applies to the contents. ODbL specifically says that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-30 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi Igor, I'd like to address a couple of points. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Igor Brejc igor.br...@gmail.com wrote: Not one company will dare to give out their proprietary source code to someone, even if they release it under a very strict license. The risks of someone inadvertently then

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-30 Thread Michael Collinson
On 30/10/2012 13:07, Jonathan Harley wrote: (After a hiatus - I've been discussing this off-list with Anthony and others.) On 22/10/12 23:13, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/10/22 Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
deliberately Offlist 2012/10/30 Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz: No loop hole. Unless I am missing something earlier in the thread, this is covering very old ground. This is the LWG understanding: The buzz phrase is layered copyright. Using an open licensed photo of a MacDonald's

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL

2012-10-30 Thread Rob Myers
On 10/30/2012 07:19 AM, Igor Brejc wrote: Some then say that these in-memory data structures are also Derivative Databases. They also cannot request RAM dumps of the routers and switches that ODbL data is transmitted over as they download it. - Rob.