Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-22 Thread Eric Sibert
On what basis do they claim ownership of the routes, exactly? As I understand it, many of these routes link up lots of little trails that had been around for decades. How did copyright get transferred from the people who created the trails to the FFRP? Or do they claim ownership only over new

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-22 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Are they aware that all the data has been created independently, by surveying the trail - not by actually copying their data? I think you mix two things : the physical trails, paths which are not copyrighted and not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-22 Thread Nick Whitelegg
-Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: - To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org From: Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com Date: 22/02/2013 03:12AM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France On Thu, Feb 21,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-22 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Second issue : it is maybe a more specific French issue here because the routes themselves can be copyrighted when they are considered as original work. A famous case confirmed this with the IGN (publishing the FFRP maps) sueing a guidebook editor [5] and confirmed by the highest court in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License question, user clicking on map

2013-02-22 Thread Erik Johansson
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Olov McKie o...@mckie.se wrote: I work for a library where we are building a new version of an application to handle all sort of collections, for example books, letters, images, music sheets, etc. The application will store metadata and digitalized versions

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Eric Sibert wrote: They established a route that for instance allows to from city A to city B but not with the short way. Instead, it is going left and right to visit points of interest, alpine hutch and so on. They claim that such a work is an original work. Yes, I can see that. I've

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Question about copyrighted hiking routes in France

2013-02-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: More philosophically the idea of someone claiming copyright on walking routes seems completely at odds with the nature of countryside walking, which to my mind has similar free and open values to open source

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License question, user clicking on map

2013-02-22 Thread Olov McKie
Hej Erik! Would you please consider reading my mail one more time, and clarify your answers, because I do not understand what you are trying to say. No where in my mail did I say anything about using Google maps or their API, yet for the two usecases you have answered about are you talking

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License question, user clicking on map

2013-02-22 Thread Kate Chapman
Hi Alex, You might want to clarify because your email is a bit confusing. My understanding is you are saying I would like it to be this way, but at the moment it is not. Correct? Yes it is important to clarify the share alike clause, but I think also important not to confuse people asking how