Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contents Licence for OSM Data
2014-11-02 23:11 GMT+01:00 Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com: We have no significant third party ODbL data releases due to OSM share alike to show for Actually the Italian Government has designed their open data license (IODL) to be compatible with OdbL: http://www.dati.gov.it/content/italian-open-data-license-domande-e-risposte (I've heard they did this explicitly because of OSM). If it makes sense for a PA to use a share-alike license instead of PD is a different kettle of fish... cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal
2014-11-03 0:17 GMT+01:00 Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com: 2014-10-29 20:56 GMT+01:00 Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com: Updated: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Open_Data_License%2FGeocoding_-_Guidelinediff=1102233oldid=1076215 wouldn't it make more sense to come to a conclusion here before updating the wiki? Hey Martin - the change you link to was to replace the term 'geocode' with the more common 'geocoding result' - do you have a specific concern with it? my bad, sorry for the confusion, my comment was referring to the following edit, which was 4 minutes later: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Open_Data_License/Geocoding_-_Guidelinediff=nextoldid=1102233 cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 6:45 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: my bad, sorry for the confusion, my comment was referring to the following edit, which was 4 minutes later: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Open_Data_License/Geocoding_-_Guidelinediff=nextoldid=1102233 Got it, yes. Databases of items of Produced Work aren't Derivative Databases per 4.5b. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: where in one of the first paragraphs there is this unproven claim: Geocoding Results are a Produced Work by the definition of the ODbL (section 1.): “Produced Work” – a work (such as an image, audiovisual material, text, or sounds) resulting from using the whole or a Substantial part of the Contents (via a search or other query) from this Database, a Derivative Database, or this Database as part of a Collective Database. A geocoding result is created via a search or a query. It's a Produced Work. A work can specifically be a database, see http://www.out-law.com/page-5698, Databases are treated as a class of literary works and may therefore receive copyright protection for the selection and/or arrangement of the contents under the terms of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988. (UK law) This is clearly a possible reading of the ODbL and it would enable geocoding. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal
2014-11-03 15:05 GMT+01:00 Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com: On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: where in one of the first paragraphs there is this unproven claim: Geocoding Results are a Produced Work by the definition of the ODbL (section 1.): “Produced Work” – a work (such as an image, audiovisual material, text, or sounds) resulting from using the whole or a Substantial part of the Contents (via a search or other query) from this Database, a Derivative Database, or this Database as part of a Collective Database. A geocoding result is created via a search or a query. It's a Produced Work. A work can specifically be a database, see http://www.out-law.com/page-5698, Databases are treated as a class of literary works and may therefore receive copyright protection for the selection and/or arrangement of the contents under the terms of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988. (UK law) This is clearly a possible reading of the ODbL and it would enable geocoding. Do you really think that a list of addresses can be seen as similar to a literary work? Will there be any protectworthy selection and/or arrangement of the contents? This probably has to be found out based on the individual case and decided by a judge - there will be databases that qualify as works, but maybe this doesn't exclude them from being a database the same time in the context of ODbL? Let's presume we all followed this reading, then when would something actually fall under the definition of derivative database? Why would we still be writing to legal talk instead of using the whole OSM db as a produced work - produced e.g. by performing some operations like wget planet.osm -O osm-produced.work cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Updated geocoding community guideline proposal
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Let's presume we all followed this reading, then when would something actually fall under the definition of derivative database? Why would we still be writing to legal talk instead of using the whole OSM db as a produced work - produced e.g. by performing some operations like wget planet.osm -O osm-produced.work The command you describe would just be a copy and not actually a query or a search of the database. But extrapolating from what you write, copying the entire db through a geocoder is actually hard. You'll have to know all addresses in advance or query all locations in the world. The latter is expensive and it would always leave you with an inaccurate copy. Either way, if you did this in a systematic way you'd be looking at a Derivative Database again. Just like the example of OCRing an OSM based tiled map and thus rebuilding the OSM database that has come up before. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
