Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Bing - Terms of Use
On 01/12/10 08:52, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Andrew Harvey wrote: Just to clarify is this http://www.microsoft.com/maps/product/terms.html the document which contains the license grant? No; the document is the one embedded in the OpenGeoData posting (http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details). Like I say I'd envisage it might be firmed up a little in the coming weeks. It's worth noting that this is more than we've had for the Yahoo imagery Cheers Chris -- e: m...@chrisfleming.org w: www.chrisfleming.org ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Bing - Terms of Use
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Chris Fleming m...@chrisfleming.org wrote: On 01/12/10 08:52, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Andrew Harvey wrote: Just to clarify is this http://www.microsoft.com/maps/product/terms.html the document which contains the license grant? No; the document is the one embedded in the OpenGeoData posting (http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details). Like I say I'd envisage it might be firmed up a little in the coming weeks. It's worth noting that this is more than we've had for the Yahoo imagery More what? More restrictions or more freedoms? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Bing - Terms of Use
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 11:23 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Chris Fleming m...@chrisfleming.org wrote: On 01/12/10 08:52, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Andrew Harvey wrote: Just to clarify is this http://www.microsoft.com/maps/product/terms.html the document which contains the license grant? No; the document is the one embedded in the OpenGeoData posting (http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details). Like I say I'd envisage it might be firmed up a little in the coming weeks. It's worth noting that this is more than we've had for the Yahoo imagery More what? More restrictions or more freedoms? I think it's the fact that we have an actual documentation of the permission to trace. Yahoo's is pretty much just an unwritten/informal agreement. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Bing - Terms of Use
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's the fact that we have an actual documentation of the permission to trace. Yahoo's is pretty much just an unwritten/informal agreement. Except that at the point we don't. At this point, we have an unclear agreement which an employee from Microsoft says gives permission to trace. Which is the same as what we have in the case of Yahoo, except that Yahoo's agreement (the terms of service) is not specific to openstreetmap.org. And most importantly, in neither case (Microsoft nor Yahoo) is there any statement at all by the copyright holder of the actual imagery. This only works because (or if, or to the extent that) tracing does not create a derivative work in the first place. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Bing - Terms of Use
Just to clarify is this http://www.microsoft.com/maps/product/terms.html the document which contains the license grant? Could some please point me to the section which says derived information shall have no restriction on its use? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Bing - Terms of Use
Andrew Harvey wrote: Just to clarify is this http://www.microsoft.com/maps/product/terms.html the document which contains the license grant? No; the document is the one embedded in the OpenGeoData posting (http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details). Like I say I'd envisage it might be firmed up a little in the coming weeks. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Bing-Terms-of-Use-tp5789895p5791036.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Bing - Terms of Use
Hi, I'd like to discuss the MS Bing Maps Imagerty Service Editor Application API's Terms of Use [1], especially section 5 Your Content. [2] I don't really understand this paragraph, does it mean they want us to give them the vector data we trace from their imagery, so they can use it any form? Does that imply we must always attribute Bing? Regards, Sebastian [1] http://opengeodata.org/microsoft-imagery-details (hint: you can click the (download) link below the flash part to get a pdf version of the text) [2] 5. Your Content. Except for material that we may license to you, we do not claim ownership of the content you post or otherwise provide to us, that is hosted by Microsoft or a third party hosting provider on Microsoft’s behalf, related to the service (called a “submission”). However, by posting or otherwise providing your submission (and for the avoidance of doubt, where Microsoft hosts content on your behalf including by a third party hosting provider this constitutes a “submission”, but where you host or a third party hosts content on your behalf, other than Microsoft or a third party hosting provider on behalf of Microsoft, this does not constitute a “submission”) , you are granting to Microsoft free permission to use, copy, distribute, display, publish, transcode and otherwise modify your submission, each in connection with the service, and sublicense these rights to others in order to provide the service. We will not pay you for your submission. We may refuse to publish, and may remove your submission from the service at any time. You understand that providing a submission to us that violates others’ copyrights and other Intellectual Property rights violates this agreement. For every submission you make, you must have all rights necessary for you to grant the permissions in this section. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Bing - Terms of Use
Sebastian Klein wrote: I don't really understand this paragraph, does it mean they want us to give them the vector data we trace from their imagery, so they can use it any form? No. Bear in mind that us means Microsoft when you read this: | [2] 5. Your Content. Except for material that we may license to you, | we do not claim ownership of the content you post or otherwise | provide to us We're not posting or providing any content to Microsoft, so it doesn't apply. Most of these terms are Bing's generic terms of use, with a few little tweaks for the OSM case. That's why there are irrelevant clauses like this in there. I think the terms might be revised a bit in coming weeks so don't get too worried right now. Does that imply we must always attribute Bing? No requirement. Obviously using source=Bing is OSM good practice, but there's no requirement to attribute Bing. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OSM-legal-talk-Bing-Terms-of-Use-tp5789895p5789960.html Sent from the Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
