Re: [OSM-legal-talk] SOTM legal talks
My thoughts: I think a debate of some kind will be preferable over a one-sided presentation of the state of affairs or even the process. This has been a hotly debated topic over the last period, I believe some format involving the audience is therefore called for. If we're going to involve Rufus and Jordan, 1hr might not even be enough time. It is complicated business we're dealing with and most in the audience will need some introduction (say 20 or even 30mins). Someone in the legal WG explaining: * Key differences between current and envisaged license. * Key arguments for changing over * Timeline: where are we, where will we be 3m, 6m, 1y from now * What can you do? What is expected of you? I know most of these topics have been dealt with extensively on the lists and on the wiki, but if we want a lively debate involving the audience, we will require this refresher course. That would leave about 30-40mins for a debate. That can only work if we have good moderation around a couple of well chosen topic, I think no more than three, allowing 10-15 mins per topic. If we plan this before lunch or at the end of the day (I'd prefer the former, a heavyweight topic at the end of the day will not go down well) we can have informal discussion afterwards. Take care, martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 01:24, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Hi We, the legal working group have been asked as a result of a chat in the SOTM working group call (which mike and I were also on) to propose talk(s) about the license at SOTM. Today in our call we brainstormed a little around a few ideas and we thought it would be good to flesh them out here and see what you guys think might work, or not. So here are some ideas to think around, or if you have your own please chime in. We can do these, some combination, all of them, or whatever. We'd like your help in thinking what the best things to do are 1) A high level, simple, talk for the business day on rough use cases on the data and best practise. Something like you can use OSM data but make sure you don't mix it with proprietary data, make sure you attribute OSM. This wouldn't be a perfect talk, but would give businesses and people looking to get involved with OSM a high level introduction without getting too scary 2) A talk at the main OSM conf days about the PROCESS of the legal working group. How often we meet, who we are, how a meeting goes, what we discuss, who we talk to, what the minutes look like, how to get involved... This is just about how we work, not the subject matter to give people a better insight in to what goes on. 3) A debate at the main OSM conf. A panel of key members of the license working group plus jordan and rufus. It lasts an hour. 15 minutes are brief introductions and points of view from the panel members and then 45 minutes of open debate on any license issue with a moderator. This might be before lunch or a break so people can continue discussing afterward. 4) The same as (3) but with a _structured_ debate. Say 4 main topics and 10 minutes debate on each, or 3 topics of 15 minutes each. Something like that so that rather than debate about anything we debate some key issues to make sure they are covered. Remember these are only ideas to be discussed here, not our solid plans. Thoughts? Best Steve ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] SOTM legal talks
On 12 May 2009, at 12:02, Martijn van Exel wrote: My thoughts: I think a debate of some kind will be preferable over a one-sided presentation of the state of affairs or even the process. it's not an either-or, we can do both :-) This has been a hotly debated topic over the last period, I believe some format involving the audience is therefore called for. If we're going to involve Rufus and Jordan, 1hr might not even be enough time. It is complicated business we're dealing with and most in the audience will need some introduction (say 20 or even 30mins). Someone in the legal WG explaining: * Key differences between current and envisaged license. * Key arguments for changing over * Timeline: where are we, where will we be 3m, 6m, 1y from now * What can you do? What is expected of you? I know most of these topics have been dealt with extensively on the lists and on the wiki, but if we want a lively debate involving the audience, we will require this refresher course. That would leave about 30-40mins for a debate. That can only work if we have good moderation around a couple of well chosen topic, I think no more than three, allowing 10-15 mins per topic. If we plan this before lunch or at the end of the day (I'd prefer the former, a heavyweight topic at the end of the day will not go down well) we can have informal discussion afterwards. Take care, martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 01:24, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Hi We, the legal working group have been asked as a result of a chat in the SOTM working group call (which mike and I were also on) to propose talk(s) about the license at SOTM. Today in our call we brainstormed a little around a few ideas and we thought it would be good to flesh them out here and see what you guys think might work, or not. So here are some ideas to think around, or if you have your own please chime in. We can do these, some combination, all of them, or whatever. We'd like your help in thinking what the best things to do are 1) A high level, simple, talk for the business day on rough use cases on the data and best practise. Something like you can use OSM data but make sure you don't mix it with proprietary data, make sure you attribute OSM. This wouldn't be a perfect talk, but would give businesses and people looking to get involved with OSM a high level introduction without getting too scary 2) A talk at the main OSM conf days about the PROCESS of the legal working group. How often we meet, who we are, how a meeting goes, what we discuss, who we talk to, what the minutes look like, how to get involved... This is just about how we work, not the subject matter to give people a better insight in to what goes on. 3) A debate at the main OSM conf. A panel of key members of the license working group plus jordan and rufus. It lasts an hour. 15 minutes are brief introductions and points of view from the panel members and then 45 minutes of open debate on any license issue with a moderator. This might be before lunch or a break so people can continue discussing afterward. 4) The same as (3) but with a _structured_ debate. Say 4 main topics and 10 minutes debate on each, or 3 topics of 15 minutes each. Something like that so that rather than debate about anything we debate some key issues to make sure they are covered. Remember these are only ideas to be discussed here, not our solid plans. Thoughts? Best Steve ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk Best Steve ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] SOTM legal talks
I believe we should. My initial thought was to focus on a discussion, but thinking about it more I believe an introduction of sorts by someone in the legal WG would make it more powerful. martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 21:12, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On 12 May 2009, at 12:02, Martijn van Exel wrote: My thoughts: I think a debate of some kind will be preferable over a one-sided presentation of the state of affairs or even the process. it's not an either-or, we can do both :-) This has been a hotly debated topic over the last period, I believe some format involving the audience is therefore called for. If we're going to involve Rufus and Jordan, 1hr might not even be enough time. It is complicated business we're dealing with and most in the audience will need some introduction (say 20 or even 30mins). Someone in the legal WG explaining: * Key differences between current and envisaged license. * Key arguments for changing over * Timeline: where are we, where will we be 3m, 6m, 1y from now * What can you do? What is expected of you? I know most of these topics have been dealt with extensively on the lists and on the wiki, but if we want a lively debate involving the audience, we will require this refresher course. That would leave about 30-40mins for a debate. That can only work if we have good moderation around a couple of well chosen topic, I think no more than three, allowing 10-15 mins per topic. If we plan this before lunch or at the end of the day (I'd prefer the former, a heavyweight topic at the end of the day will not go down well) we can have informal discussion afterwards. Take care, martijn van exel -+- mve...@gmail.com -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 01:24, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Hi We, the legal working group have been asked as a result of a chat in the SOTM working group call (which mike and I were also on) to propose talk(s) about the license at SOTM. Today in our call we brainstormed a little around a few ideas and we thought it would be good to flesh them out here and see what you guys think might work, or not. So here are some ideas to think around, or if you have your own please chime in. We can do these, some combination, all of them, or whatever. We'd like your help in thinking what the best things to do are 1) A high level, simple, talk for the business day on rough use cases on the data and best practise. Something like you can use OSM data but make sure you don't mix it with proprietary data, make sure you attribute OSM. This wouldn't be a perfect talk, but would give businesses and people looking to get involved with OSM a high level introduction without getting too scary 2) A talk at the main OSM conf days about the PROCESS of the legal working group. How often we meet, who we are, how a meeting goes, what we discuss, who we talk to, what the minutes look like, how to get involved... This is just about how we work, not the subject matter to give people a better insight in to what goes on. 3) A debate at the main OSM conf. A panel of key members of the license working group plus jordan and rufus. It lasts an hour. 15 minutes are brief introductions and points of view from the panel members and then 45 minutes of open debate on any license issue with a moderator. This might be before lunch or a break so people can continue discussing afterward. 4) The same as (3) but with a _structured_ debate. Say 4 main topics and 10 minutes debate on each, or 3 topics of 15 minutes each. Something like that so that rather than debate about anything we debate some key issues to make sure they are covered. Remember these are only ideas to be discussed here, not our solid plans. Thoughts? Best Steve ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk Best Steve ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] SOTM legal talks
Hi We, the legal working group have been asked as a result of a chat in the SOTM working group call (which mike and I were also on) to propose talk(s) about the license at SOTM. Today in our call we brainstormed a little around a few ideas and we thought it would be good to flesh them out here and see what you guys think might work, or not. So here are some ideas to think around, or if you have your own please chime in. We can do these, some combination, all of them, or whatever. We'd like your help in thinking what the best things to do are 1) A high level, simple, talk for the business day on rough use cases on the data and best practise. Something like you can use OSM data but make sure you don't mix it with proprietary data, make sure you attribute OSM. This wouldn't be a perfect talk, but would give businesses and people looking to get involved with OSM a high level introduction without getting too scary 2) A talk at the main OSM conf days about the PROCESS of the legal working group. How often we meet, who we are, how a meeting goes, what we discuss, who we talk to, what the minutes look like, how to get involved... This is just about how we work, not the subject matter to give people a better insight in to what goes on. 3) A debate at the main OSM conf. A panel of key members of the license working group plus jordan and rufus. It lasts an hour. 15 minutes are brief introductions and points of view from the panel members and then 45 minutes of open debate on any license issue with a moderator. This might be before lunch or a break so people can continue discussing afterward. 4) The same as (3) but with a _structured_ debate. Say 4 main topics and 10 minutes debate on each, or 3 topics of 15 minutes each. Something like that so that rather than debate about anything we debate some key issues to make sure they are covered. Remember these are only ideas to be discussed here, not our solid plans. Thoughts? Best Steve ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
