Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Upload of copyrighted map images from OSM to Facebook
4/15/14 20:05 , schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: I think we can keep the logo as it is protected as a registered brand, but even if you remove the map image from our page they will continue to have the rights on it they reserve in their terms (maybe we could file a copyright complaint and then they will have to remove it). ...This IP License ends when you delete your IP content... __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88 wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:AndiG88 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Upload of copyrighted map images from OSM to Facebook
A user on the Italian Mailing List posted this link concerning Facebook's integration of Wikipedia content into the so-called facebook community pages: https://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/21721 In this case they achieved to retain the cc-by-sa attribution and all backlinks to Wikipedia. Maybe we can convince them to do the same for OSM cartography? cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Upload of copyrighted map images from OSM to Facebook
On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: A user on the Italian Mailing List posted this link concerning Facebook's integration of Wikipedia content into the so-called facebook community pages: https://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/21721 In this case they achieved to retain the cc-by-sa attribution and all backlinks to Wikipedia. Maybe we can convince them to do the same for OSM cartography? +1 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Upload of copyrighted map images from OSM to Facebook
Following the German Blog there was a post today referencing this forum thread: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=411611#p411611 where the contributors come to the conclusion that uploading OSM map images to Facebook is against the osm maps license (cc-by-sa). It looks as if they are right (because Facebook has in their terms ( https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms ): For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy https://www.facebook.com/privacy/ and application settings https://www.facebook.com/settings/?tab=applications: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it.). I am not sure if this is the only relevant paragraph because like almost any other multinational player their legal department has set up a real jungle of different guidelines and terms. Interestingly even the OSMF is infracting the license ;-) https://www.facebook.com/OpenStreetMapFoundation/photos/a.447164861995676.103897.447161935329302/447164878662341/?type=1 What is your point of view on this? Cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Upload of copyrighted map images from OSM to Facebook
What do you suggest, Martin? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Upload of copyrighted map images from OSM to Facebook
Am 15.04.2014 18:56, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Interestingly even the OSMF is infracting the license ;-) Nope, non of the content on that page was uploaded or provided by the OSMF. In fact we have only recently taken control of the account. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Upload of copyrighted map images from OSM to Facebook
2014-04-15 18:59 GMT+02:00 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: What do you suggest, Martin? contact Facebook and if they are not willing to make an exception to their terms we'll have to delete our accounts there (seems to be the only way to remove images according to their terms). In case of the latter I'd make a public announcement on the blog explaining the reasons why OSM cannot be on Facebook and hope for some publicity ;-) cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Upload of copyrighted map images from OSM to Facebook
2014-04-15 19:22 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2014-04-15 18:59 GMT+02:00 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: What do you suggest, Martin? contact Facebook and if they are not willing to make an exception to their terms we'll have to delete our accounts there (seems to be the only way to remove images according to their terms). In case of the latter I'd make a public announcement on the blog explaining the reasons why OSM cannot be on Facebook and hope for some publicity ;-) Like often there are also other options: 1) ignore the issue because the publicity we get from Facebook is more important than insisting on licenses (point not proven yet). 2) decide that this is covered by fair use (but then everyone else who uses a single map image from osm might also say this is fair use, similar to what OSM does on Facebook, and this would effectively make the license a farce). 3) ask the rights holders of the map style if they are willing to dual license (cc-by-sa and facebook) or change the license to something that doesn't require attribution or share alike (e.g. cc0). an maybe more. From these options I'd only see 3) as meaningful. Cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Upload of copyrighted map images from OSM to Facebook
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 10:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: contact Facebook and if they are not willing to make an exception to their terms we'll have to delete our accounts there (seems to be the only way to remove images according to their terms). In case of the latter I'd make a public announcement on the blog explaining the reasons why OSM cannot be on Facebook and hope for some publicity ;-) OSMF only has two photos posted. We can easily remove the map and the logo. We can use Facebook to help us grow the community and even attract donations so It's worthwhile to remain on Facebook. Corporation are on Facebook. Many with their logo's prominently displayed. I don't think Starbucks is giving up any rights to their Logo by having it on Facebook. (I tried to pick an international corporation that is known by a worldwide audience.) Since OSMF page only has 11 likes with little activity, it might make sense to remove the page and focus on OpenStreetMap Facebook page. Same legal rules apply, but we can remove any that we want to protect. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Upload of copyrighted map images from OSM to Facebook
2014-04-15 19:59 GMT+02:00 Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us: OSMF only has two photos posted. We can easily remove the map and the logo. I think we can keep the logo as it is protected as a registered brand, but even if you remove the map image from our page they will continue to have the rights on it they reserve in their terms (maybe we could file a copyright complaint and then they will have to remove it). cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
