Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Worry-some bill in Iceland
There is at least one I'm in regular contact with who supports open government wholeheartedly. Of course the politicians say they support open government but don't know how they'd react to any specific suggestions. They all have different perspectives of the term 'open data' and each word separately. Open Government Partnership would be great in the long run but the parliamentary session is over in about 2 months and then there are elections. It's worth a try next session and especially if the Icelandic Pirate Party gets enough seats in the parliament to make a difference. For the government in this case, or the officals who wrote this bill, it seems like they think open data is people's ability to get the data from the government but not much about the freedom to freely utilise it. They seem keen on putting restrictions. It's open but... A statement from the OSMF would be great and I could pass on the information on how to submit it for consideration. The deadline is February 8th 2013. - Svavar Kjarrval On 17/01/13 20:03, Alex Barth wrote: Ugh. Like you're saying, this is clearly not a good open policy. Does Iceland or any involved politicians have ambitions to join the Open Government Partnership? This might be an angle. Maybe worthwhile to put in an official notice by the OSMF that this law would hurt volunteer contributed geo data projects like OSM? Also, Pakistan comes to mind: http://dawn.com/2012/11/21/pakistanis-lost-without-maps/ On Jan 17, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Svavar Kjarrval sva...@kjarrval.is wrote: Hi. There is a bill (in the meaning of 'proposed law') in the Icelandic parliament regarding nature protection that worries me. The bill states that the National Land Survey of Iceland is supposed to create a database of roads and road tracks and it should be free (as in cost) and „available“ (nothing prevents terms being set for distribution). That's not what worries me since free (as in freedom) data is excellent. It further states that all maps distributed in Iceland have to conform to the database mentioned above, or The Environment Agency of Iceland can invoke daily fines on whoever distributes a database that doesn't conform to this standard. This requirement is put on everybody, not just those who get a copy of said database. By definition, it's impossible to ensure that the OSM database conforms to this standard at all times since the database can always be freely downloaded and edited. It could also restrict people in Iceland that would like to legally distribute OSM maps and data since they'd have a hard time being sure that the requirement is fulfilled in their copy of the database. The bill is under review by a parliamentary committee and I'd like to send it a review under my name. I would like some pointers of what I should mention in the review to convince them to drop that requirement. If you'd like, I could provide a rough translation of the corresponding article in the bill. With regards, Svavar Kjarrval ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Worry-some bill in Iceland
Wait what? I don't think they'd trust OSM for its geodata databases, especially if everybody in the world who has an OSM account can edit it at will. With regards, Svavar Kjarrval On 17/01/13 22:18, Johan C wrote: Give them the suggestion to use Openstreetmap as their database, since that's the cheapest platform for the Icelandic taxpayer, the uptime is almost 100%, it's flexible, Icelandic citizens and government can cooperate to get the best map possible, it's open and available to anyone. Cheers, Johan 2013/1/17 Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com mailto:a...@mapbox.com Ugh. Like you're saying, this is clearly not a good open policy. Does Iceland or any involved politicians have ambitions to join the Open Government Partnership? This might be an angle. Maybe worthwhile to put in an official notice by the OSMF that this law would hurt volunteer contributed geo data projects like OSM? Also, Pakistan comes to mind: http://dawn.com/2012/11/21/pakistanis-lost-without-maps/ On Jan 17, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Svavar Kjarrval sva...@kjarrval.is mailto:sva...@kjarrval.is wrote: Hi. There is a bill (in the meaning of 'proposed law') in the Icelandic parliament regarding nature protection that worries me. The bill states that the National Land Survey of Iceland is supposed to create a database of roads and road tracks and it should be free (as in cost) and available (nothing prevents terms being set for distribution). That's not what worries me since free (as in freedom) data is excellent. It further states that all maps distributed in Iceland have to conform to the database mentioned above, or The Environment Agency of Iceland can invoke daily fines on whoever distributes a database that doesn't conform to this standard. This requirement is put on everybody, not just those who get a copy of said database. By definition, it's impossible to ensure that the OSM database conforms to this standard at all times since the database can always be freely downloaded and edited. It could also restrict people in Iceland that would like to legally distribute OSM maps and data since they'd have a hard time being sure that the requirement is fulfilled in their copy of the database. The bill is under review by a parliamentary committee and I'd like to send it a review under my name. I would like some pointers of what I should mention in the review to convince them to drop that requirement. If you'd like, I could provide a rough translation of the corresponding article in the bill. With regards, Svavar Kjarrval ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk Alex Barth http://twitter.com/lxbarth tel (+1) 202 250 3633 tel:%28%2B1%29%20202%20250%203633 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
