Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data

2017-01-09 Thread Simon Poole
The LWG is working on a statement wrt CC-BY 4.0 compatibility and is in direct contact with Creative Commons. I suspect that we will have something in latest a couple of weeks, including a template waiver/statement that we will need for such sources. Simon Am 09.01.2017 um 03:07 schrieb cleary:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data from data.gov.au

2016-06-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 30 giu 2016, alle ore 13:15, Christoph Hormann > ha scritto: > > The whole idea to me seems completely impractical. +1 what we might do: add an auto generated list of all osm user pseudonyms with at least one edit at the bottom of the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data from data.gov.au

2016-06-30 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Thursday 30 June 2016, Tobias Wendorff wrote: > > Tons of others? There aren't many datasources, which will be CC-BY or > equal. You can bet that once this was implemented every marginally narcissistic mapper would stop genuine mapping and start releasing his/her work under CC-BY... Like

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data from data.gov.au

2016-06-30 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Am Do, 30.06.2016, 13:15 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > > It would also be extremely unfair towards the normal individual mappers > because their attribution (which is currently the main one > behind 'OpenStreetMap Contributors') would be buried among tons of > others. Tons of others? There aren't

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data from data.gov.au

2016-06-30 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Thursday 30 June 2016, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > it isn't easy to do this properly, you would have to analyse the data > and make judgements. A script could do it, but it would have to be a > very complex analysis and you would have to put a lot of judgement > into the rules of this

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data from data.gov.au

2016-06-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-06-30 12:47 GMT+02:00 Tobias Wendorff : > > Do you always have to attribute once something got imported, even if > there > > a no (visual) traces of this import any more? E.g. you could say that all > > following contributions built on what was there at a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data from data.gov.au

2016-06-30 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Am Do, 30.06.2016, 12:31 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > E2 > v1 import 1 node, amenity=place_of_worship, name=Foo > v2 move the node significantly (e.g. 30 km) Don't import faulty data, SCNR :) > Do you always have to attribute once something got imported, even if there > a no (visual) traces of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data from data.gov.au

2016-06-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-06-29 23:58 GMT+02:00 Tobias Wendorff : > Am Mi, 29.06.2016, 23:46 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > Is there still need to attribute the original creator? > > In my opinion that's what CC-BY is all about. You're allowed to change > it, but you still need to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data from data.gov.au

2016-06-30 Thread Simon Poole
Am 29.06.2016 um 23:26 schrieb Tobias Wendorff: > Am Mi, 29.06.2016, 22:58 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: >> just that this list becomes very long, see >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors > You wouldn't see "data.gov.au" in a German map extract of course. > I just wasn't creative

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data from data.gov.au

2016-06-29 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Am Mi, 29.06.2016, 23:46 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > Is there still need to attribute the original creator? In my opinion that's what CC-BY is all about. You're allowed to change it, but you still need to tell the name of the licensee. It's common GIS practice: When you've got data from

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data from data.gov.au

2016-06-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 29 giu 2016, alle ore 23:26, Tobias Wendorff > ha scritto: > > Oh come on, that's no valid argument. A script can handle this and > output the source of the data imported into this area. Nobody would > need to analyse the data on

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data from data.gov.au

2016-06-29 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Am Mi, 29.06.2016, 22:58 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > > just that this list becomes very long, see > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors You wouldn't see "data.gov.au" in a German map extract of course. I just wasn't creative enough to add data from one spatial area :) "(C)

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data from data.gov.au

2016-06-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 29 giu 2016, alle ore 22:49, Tobias Wendorff > ha scritto: > > "(C) OpenStreetMap, with subsets of data.gov.au, BKG Germany & xyz" just that this list becomes very long, see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data from data.gov.au

2016-06-29 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Am Di, 28.06.2016, 12:51 schrieb Simon Poole: > We cannot restrict how our data is used outside of the > ODbL terms. While we might not be adding personal information, > downstream that may well happen. Let's change ODbL and allow different BY-attributes. That would solve much of problems.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data from data.gov.au

2016-06-29 Thread cleary
Thanks for that advice. I will draft an email over the next couple of days. On Tue, Jun 28, 2016, at 08:51 PM, Simon Poole wrote: > The explicit permission that we received was for data released > directly by the Australian government, it is unclear if that could > apply to data that they

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Australian Government Data from data.gov.au

2016-06-28 Thread Simon Poole
The explicit permission that we received was for data released directly by the Australian government, it is unclear if that could apply to data that they have licensed from a third party for distribution which seems to be the case here. CC by 4.0 reduced the requirements on attribution compared