"Come the millennium, month 12,
In the home of greatest power,
The village idiot will come forth
To be acclaimed the leader."
Nostrodamus, 1555.
Owen
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Comrades,
Er, well, I am perhaps slightly confused as to what is going on since I
have been away from my computer, as far as I can tell I was temporarily
suspended then resubscribed. I would like to take the opportunity to
apologise for my typically overheated, OTT style of debate. The gutter
A typically stupid response from a typically stupid Stalinist like James
Tait. Listen idiot:
(1) I am well aware that revolutionaries are being slaughtered by the
Turkish regime. But despite this which should strengthen a more than healthy
desire for revolutionary justice amongst us all, we
Reply to Carrol Cox, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 20/12/2000 22:53:
I've been filtering out Owen from before he left the marxism
list, so these idiocies don't bother me -- I never see them. But
his ravings would be embarassing on the archives of any list
that pretends to be
Reply to secr (MG!), at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 19/12/2000
5:23:
I think the explanation might be that it's felt hopeless to do anything
about such ruthless fascist regime.
The Turkish regime is certainly reactionary, yes. But by any real Marxist
definition, it is not fascist
Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED], at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the
14/12/2000 11:40:
(Also mentioned below is Steve Myers, a known cop and rapist who know
"leads" Workers Fight, a tiny trot group and does alot of "work" with
Russian trots. Peter Manson is a Weekly Worker writer, as is Ian
Comrades,
Well, Nestor asked for it, so I, the much denounced running dog of
imperialism, here send an article I wrote for the Weekly Worker a few weeks
ago in response to the social-chauvinist stance of the CPGB, with their
slogan of revolutionary defeatism and revision of imperialism. And
Mac,
Comrade, you seem to miss the point. It was the nature of the Soviet Union
- i.e. a deeply degenerate and corrupt workers' state ruled by a privileged
caste of bureaucrats - that made the restoration of capitalism inevitable
unless the bureaucratic rot was cut out with the knife of a
at that - without much of the
'social' about it, given the apartheid-like tyranny that existed in Kosova
under the rule of Milosevic for 11 years.
Owen Jones' historical analogies are meaningless, and display a Jesuitical
view of politics: for instance, his analogy between the 1999 Kosova war
Reply to Mine Aysen Doyran, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the
22/11/2000 21:34:
In my humble opinion, you should subscribe Pen-l. I am sure you will find a
large audience to your views there.
Typical of the Milosevic fan club crowd. Those who do not subscribe to
their twisted apologia
Hi Mac
This is awful stuff.
The author of this piece is assuming two falsities: 1, that the "revolution"
in
Yugoslavia must have been a popular one,
Frankly if that revolution was not "popular" to use your vocabulary, then I
really am at a lost as to what is a "popular" revolution by
Reply to Louis Proyect, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 3/10/2000 20:53:
Was this about "iconography"? Or was something more substantial involved?
In fact, the government of Juan Perón was one of the most progressive in
Latin American history in the 20th century. Here is a list of its
Haha. I'm looking forward to the answer to this one, Owen. The workers of
England suffered a tremendous setback, no doubt. The workers of Argentina
suffered something an imperialist country cannot, the jack boot of
imperialism and the total loss of sovereignty.
There is a reason that the
Firstly I do not think that Peronism was a fascist movement. A fascist
movement cannot rest on the organised working class like Peronism. Peronism
was a form of Bonapartism, hence the fact it mixed the imagery, phraseology
and iconography of the far-Right with the far-Left. Will you deny that
Reply to Macdonald Stainsby, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 3/10/2000
3:06:
?? AWL
Alliance for Workers' Liberty.
Owen
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Tuesday October 3 5:57 PM ET
Bombing Campaign Commences Against Israel
By John Jackson, Associated Press Writer
TEL AVIV (AP) - NATO aircraft have begun the threatened bombing campaign
against Israel Tuesday in response to the six-day massacre of Palestinians
conducted by Israeli troops,
Comrade Nestor,
As you know, or should know, I have great respect for you. However, I am in
complete disagreement with your left-nationalist views which call for the
working class of the oppressed countries to unite with their bourgeoisie
against imperialism. This despite the fact that in
Reply to Carrol Cox, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 25/9/2000 23:31:
But what about the rights of self-determination of the Orange Irish? They
have at least as much right to self-determination as *any* of the Yugoslav
regions did. You hold self-determination as a religion, not as an
Reply to Yoshie Furuhashi, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the
25/9/2000 20:10:
Nobody here has said any such thing. Behind the discontent of
Albanians in Kosovo, there had been their poverty and
under-development.
The reason Kosovo is impoverished and underdeveloped is because it was
Reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED], at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 26/9/2000
0:34:
According to people in Yugoslavia the vote situation is rather good. Don't
believe what you read in the papers.
A letter I got from Belgrade suggested otherwise. By the way, I hear that
the deeply intelligent
Reply to Yoshie Furuhashi, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the
25/9/2000 10:34:
_If_ an Albanian movement for self-determination worthy of the
support of the masses of people in the world arose, we would know it
by its becoming America's official enemy. As of now, such a movement
doesn't
Comrades,
I think that there is something about your style as well as volume that I
would question - a kind of hysteric catastrophism. I mean, sure, you must
have great meetings if they are full of optimistic declarations of the next
thirty years being of revolutionary uprisings, but how
--
Croatian war crimes witness killed
Human rights workers in Croatia have criticised the government after the
killing of a former soldier who volunteered to give war crimes evidence
against fellow-Croats.
The man, Milan Levar, died in a bomb blast at his home in Gospic on Monday.
A
Comrades,
Either New Labour are being very honest or their web site has been
hijacked.
Check out this site: http://www.new-labour-party.org.uk/
A medal is in order!
Cheers - Owen
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Louis P.:
Actually the Cuban countryside was distinguished by large scale wage labor
on plantations, while Czarist Russia had extensive subsistence holdings,
sharecropping and other semifeudal class relations. When you are in the
library studying about the Yugoslav economy, you might want
Comrade,
I must admit that I am still struggling to work out exactly what you mean
here, since many of the positions which you detail seem more than slightly
confused. However, I will try to answer based on what I have available from
you.
The only war going on related to Russia apart from
Reply to Nestor Miguel Gorojovsky, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on
the 24/8/2000 0:20:
More on the Kursk. It looks like that the Russian establishment is
seriously claiming that the sub was intentionally sunk by a NATO
ship. Slimy road they are treading on...
Comrade,
I question very
Reply to Louis Proyect, at [EMAIL PROTECTED], who wrote on the 25/8/2000 16:19:
Although the Cuban revolution is widely regarded as being
vastly inferior to the Russian revolution in terms of the level of
consciousness, it is doubtful that there is much difference between the
two. Keep in
Comrade,
Without wishing to trample over everybody's picnic, but, in my opinion, the
Colombian situation is a very complicated question, as much as we are all
thirsty for revolution.
These guerrilla groups are peasant armies. Their aim is not the
construction of a workers' state, but rather
I would just like to express my deep gratitude to Anthony for explaining
the situation in Colombia so well with superb intellect and clarity; this
demolishes many of the illusions some on the Left express on the "Colombian
revolution", from which I am just as guilty due to sheer ignorance. I am
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