Help requested re bug 893223: Unpredictable slow operation state cured by writing

2011-11-23 Thread Edward K. Ream
I'm going to promote this issue into leo-editor itself because not everyone subscribes to Leo's bug reports. Here is the actual bug page, containing the initial bug report and my comments: https://bugs.launchpad.net/leo-editor/+bug/893223 Excerpts === 1. The report: Leo-editor

Re: Help requested re bug 893223: Unpredictable slow operation state cured by writing

2011-11-23 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Nov 23, 5:21 am, Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: This bug has the real possibility of turning into a worthy bug. Let me review what I know for sure, or thereabouts... I didn't mention the last piece of the puzzle: saving the file cures the problem, because I don't see how that

Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Edward K. Ream
Had a long chat with my brother Speed yesterday. He said he's been using 4.9 final. I told him that was ancient code :-) He said he was confused by the link to 4.9 final on Leo's home page: it prevented him from using the daily builds. Actually, I convinced him to start using Leo's bzr branch.

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Nov 23, 9:06 am, Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: One technical problem remains:  I'd like bzr pushes to ensure that the version number in leoVersion.py matches the latest revision.   Does anyone know sure to do that cleanly? Suppose I create a bzr hook for the push command. The

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Seth Johnson
How about maintaining a second link to the last release older than, say, 3 months ago? Label it something like And for those who avoid using current releases on the principle that they aren't battle-hardened, the following release is the most recent one older than 3 months: Plus a link to

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Seth Johnson seth.p.john...@gmail.com wrote: How about maintaining a second link to the last release older than, say, 3 months ago?  Label it something like And for those who avoid using current releases on the principle that they aren't battle-hardened, the

Adding @files nodes that require root writing privileges

2011-11-23 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi all, As I said several times, I'm increasingly living more and more in Leo (seeing things like command shell integration thread seem that I could be immerse in Leo even more). I need for that reason the ability to create some @file nodes on some places that need root permisions, without

Re: File 'Open' or 'Import File' command to follow @path directive

2011-11-23 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Largo84 larg...@gmail.com wrote: Suppose my focus node is under a @path directive, say @path E: \Documents\Some Folder\ Is there a setting that would cause the 'FileOpen' or 'FileImport File' commands to begin the search dialog in the directory, E:

Re: Help requested re bug 893223: Unpredictable slow operation state cured by writing

2011-11-23 Thread Terry Brown
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 03:21:18 -0800 (PST) Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: Presumably, this means the call to:: val = command(event) in c.doCommand has never returned. Otherwise, it appears inevitable that c.inCommand would be set False, thereby disabling the message.

Re: Help requested re bug 893223: Unpredictable slow operation state cured by writing

2011-11-23 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Terry Brown terry_n_br...@yahoo.com wrote: On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 03:21:18 -0800 (PST) Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: Presumably, this means the call to::     val = command(event) in c.doCommand has never returned. Otherwise, it appears inevitable

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Terry Brown
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 10:14:53 -0600 Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Seth Johnson seth.p.john...@gmail.com wrote: How about maintaining a second link to the last release older than, say, 3 months ago?  Label it something like And for those who avoid

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Seth Johnson
I would think that dynamic would be true only if you didn't have many people using the application and reporting bugs. That may be the case (as in not many actually reporting bugs), but the point is that that's the dynamic that those who wait on official releases have in mind. Many people won't

Re: Help requested re bug 893223: Unpredictable slow operation state cured by writing

2011-11-23 Thread Terry Brown
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 10:27:00 -0600 Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: It won't help unless we can reproduce the bug. We can't do that now, which is why we need theory. Ok - I guess I missed the bug's not reproducible. Can the OP reproduce it? Do we have the list of plugins active in

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Terry Brown terry_n_br...@yahoo.com wrote: That doesn't work: simply being 3 months old is no guarantee of having fewer bugs than the trunk.  It's a guarantee of having more bugs than the trunk. Having access to a three month old build, which can be done

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Seth Johnson
The proposition is about a PR approach. You advertise the latest and greatest and say Leo is on the bleeding edge, but you add one link labeled as I suggested (And for those who avoid using current releases on the principle that they aren't battle-hardened, the following release is the most

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Terry Brown
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:40:17 -0500 Seth Johnson seth.p.john...@gmail.com wrote: The proposition is about a PR approach. You advertise the latest and greatest and say Leo is on the bleeding edge, but you add one link labeled as I suggested (And for those who avoid using current releases on

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Seth Johnson
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Terry Brown terry_n_br...@yahoo.com wrote: On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:40:17 -0500 Seth Johnson seth.p.john...@gmail.com wrote: The proposition is about a PR approach.  You advertise the latest and greatest and say Leo is on the bleeding edge, but you add one link

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: Would it be possible to add 1 week, 1 month and 3 month snapshots to your snapshots page? There already is a 10 day snapshot, so all need would be the 1 and 3 month snapshots. EKR -- You received this message

Re: Help requested re bug 893223: Unpredictable slow operation state cured by writing

2011-11-23 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Terry Brown terry_n_br...@yahoo.com wrote: Ok - I guess I missed the bug's not reproducible.  Can the OP reproduce it?  Do we have the list of plugins active in the reporting environment? Thanks for reminding me about plugins. This might well be a bug in a

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Terry Brown terry_n_br...@yahoo.com wrote: I think there's a more critical element, the in emergency break glass aspect.  If someone overwrites their only copy of bleeding edge working Leo with bleeding edge broken (for their particular use case) Leo, an

Re: Help requested re bug 893223: Unpredictable slow operation state cured by writing

2011-11-23 Thread Kent Tenney
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Terry Brown terry_n_br...@yahoo.com wrote: Ok - I guess I missed the bug's not reproducible.  Can the OP reproduce it?  Do we have the list of plugins active in the reporting

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Seth Johnson
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 10:43 AM, Terry Brown terry_n_br...@yahoo.com wrote: I think there's a more critical element, the in emergency break glass aspect.  If someone overwrites their only copy of bleeding edge working

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Terry Brown
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 10:59:21 -0600 Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: So, are we all agree that adding a few older emergency snapshots is all the is needed? I'm adding 30 and 90 day old snapshots... Cheers -Terry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: how to setup find pane font?

2011-11-23 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Zoom.Quiet zoom.qu...@gmail.com wrote: as atta. snaps: - as default pane size,font in find pane can not display well - unless drag up find pane make all words display...    - but font in pane is not same as others, it look like bigger    - and the new viersion

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Terry Brown terry_n_br...@yahoo.com wrote: On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 10:59:21 -0600 Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: So, are we all agree that adding a few older emergency snapshots is all the is needed? I'm adding 30 and 90 day old snapshots... Thanks.

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Ville M. Vainio
Making stable releases is important, even if we wanted to encourage using latest snapshots. A project that has no releases is not taken seriously by prospective new users, certainly not by folks looking into using the sw in mission critical capacity On Nov 23, 2011 5:06 PM, Edward K. Ream

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Matt Wilkie
I think Leo should have stable releases. It's important to many people, and some of these reasons have already been mentioned. Perhaps the real reason 4.9 is ancient is that there is too much friction in the process of generating and packaging stable releases. -matt -- You received this message

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Terry Brown
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:22:49 +0200 Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: Making stable releases is important, even if we wanted to encourage using latest snapshots. A project that has no releases is not taken seriously by prospective new users, certainly not by folks looking into using the

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi, On 11/23/11 13:32, Matt Wilkie wrote: I think Leo should have stable releases. It's important to many people, and some of these reasons have already been mentioned. Perhaps the real reason 4.9 is ancient is that there is too much friction in the process of generating and packaging stable

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Seth Johnson
On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas off...@riseup.net wrote: May be we can have a rolling release model a la Arch Gnu/Linux. Yuo just download the version of some date and that's it. No six months forced update like in Ubuntu. In that model with 10 30 and 90 days you

Introduction

2011-11-23 Thread tedg
I'm a new user. Let this be an introduction of who I am and what I want to do with Leo. I'll also give some early observations, and advertise for help. I'm Ted Goranson. I've managed research in government labs, and am working on a personal project. I have a computer science degree from MIT, but

Re: Introduction

2011-11-23 Thread Terry Brown
On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 15:55:43 -0800 (PST) tedg t...@alum.mit.edu wrote: A side observation: you'd have many more users if the installation were more straightforward or better documented. Moving to Bazaar is a step away from that. (I'm talking here about non-core Python programmers.) Using bzr

Re: Is it time to abandon official releases?

2011-11-23 Thread Jay Dugger
Speed had a great suggestion:  rather than saying something like stable releases suck, the home page should say something completely positive, like, Leo is the leading edge, and that's all there is. Get it here. :-) This makes sense for a certain audience comfortable with version control