Re: Leo *for* web apps vs. Leo *as* a web app

2015-01-14 Thread Brad
I understand. My thinking was that if you decide to move ahead, the IPython (and more generally Jupyter) developers have gone through the careful process (and pain) of designing an integrated, extensible system (tornado, zmq, json, javascript) that may be of use in a more general context. This

Re: Leo *for* web apps vs. Leo *as* a web app

2015-01-14 Thread Brad
Can any of the lessons learned and infrastructure from the IPython notebook and project Jupyter (https://jupyter.org/) be of use? -Brad On Wednesday, January 14, 2015 at 5:31:38 AM UTC-7, Edward K. Ream wrote: I suspect that I shall be studying web technologies this year. They are way too

Re: Is it time to develope using Python 3K?

2015-01-14 Thread Kent Tenney
Oh, I didn't understand that the question was whether or not to abandon 2, that wouldn't be good. I'd welcome help from someone running Leo trunk in a virtualenv with Py3 and PyQt5 On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Kent

Re: Leo *for* web apps vs. Leo *as* a web app

2015-01-14 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:35 AM, Jacob Peck gatesph...@gmail.com wrote: wLeo could access .leo files in a variety of spaces: - Local files - github repos - elsewhere in 'the cloud' (DropBox? SpiderOak?) - stored on a private server ​True. The question is, would wLeo be an

Re: Leo *for* web apps vs. Leo *as* a web app

2015-01-14 Thread Jacob Peck
On 1/14/2015 10:55 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote: Writing to a local device involves having a server running on that device. Nope -- HTML5 brought support for localstorage and the FileSystem API. Web apps can write persistent files to client devices.

Re: Leo *for* web apps vs. Leo *as* a web app

2015-01-14 Thread Edward K. Ream
Is there any impediment to using Leo with files that are in the local DropBox folder? ​Not that I know of. I just created @file path-to-dropbox\Dropbox\test.py​ ​and saved it. Changed test.py in the Dropbox folder. The changes appear when I reloaded the .leo file containing the @file node.

Re: Leo *for* web apps vs. Leo *as* a web app

2015-01-14 Thread Kent Tenney
In the browser would also benefit the outreach issue: http://leo-editor.com/demo ... On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Jacob Peck gatesph...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/14/2015 10:55 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote: Writing to a local device involves having a server running on that device. Nope -- HTML5

Re: Leo *for* web apps vs. Leo *as* a web app

2015-01-14 Thread Jacob Peck
On 1/14/2015 10:38 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote: The question is, would wLeo be an improvement over plain Leo. At present, I do not see how. For example, plain Leo will have *much* better drawing and file-related performance than wLeo​ ​ . And if wLeo is merely going to deal with local files

Re: Leo *for* web apps vs. Leo *as* a web app

2015-01-14 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Brad brad.reisf...@gmail.com wrote: Can any of the lessons learned and infrastructure from the IPython notebook and project Jupyter (https://jupyter.org/) be of use? ​Excellent question.​ ​I hadn't known about jupyter ​until just now, but it's derived from

Re: Leo *for* web apps vs. Leo *as* a web app

2015-01-14 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Jacob Peck gatesph...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/14/2015 10:38 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote: The cross-platform support is the key here. Being able to run it on *any* device with a modern web browser is crazy useful. Leo on my tablet, Leo on my phone, Leo on my

Re: Leo *for* web apps vs. Leo *as* a web app

2015-01-14 Thread 'Terry Brown' via leo-editor
On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 08:35:00 -0500 Jacob Peck gatesph...@gmail.com wrote: - elsewhere in 'the cloud' (DropBox? SpiderOak?) Is there any impediment to using Leo with files that are in the local DropBox folder? Hmm, I have DropBox synced. on my phone, but the Android outliner DGT GTD links

Re: Leo *for* web apps vs. Leo *as* a web app

2015-01-14 Thread Jacob Peck
On 1/14/2015 11:28 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote: Is there any impediment to using Leo with files that are in the local DropBox folder? ​Not that I know of. I just created @file path-to-dropbox\Dropbox\test.py​ ​and saved it. Changed test.py in the Dropbox folder. The changes appear

Re: Is it time to develope using Python 3K?

2015-01-14 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Kent Tenney kten...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, I didn't understand that the question was whether or not to abandon 2, that wouldn't be good. ​The question is merely whether to encourage Leo's core developers to use Python 3 when writing (and checking!) their code.

Re: Leo *for* web apps vs. Leo *as* a web app

2015-01-14 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Jacob Peck gatesph...@gmail.com wrote: On 1/14/2015 10:55 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote: Writing to a local device involves having a server running on that device. Nope -- HTML5 brought support for localstorage and the FileSystem API. Web apps can write

Re: Leo *for* web apps vs. Leo *as* a web app

2015-01-14 Thread Jacob Peck
On 1/14/2015 7:31 AM, Edward K. Ream wrote: Web apps are connected to severs that (surprise) actually serve up content (from data bases or news feeds or something else). But what would wLeo serve up? Well, a .leo file, presumably on a *local* machine. That being so, we might as well use Leo

Leo *for* web apps vs. Leo *as* a web app

2015-01-14 Thread Edward K. Ream
I suspect that I shall be studying web technologies this year. They are way too important to ignore any longer. Besides, they are interesting technologies. Let me state a preliminary conclusion, which may not last more than a few hours: Leo has no real future *as* a web app, call it

Leo must have sentinels even without clones

2015-01-14 Thread Edward K. Ream
This should be documented somewhere. This post will be prewriting for such docs. Recently I realized that Leo must insert sentinels into external files even if the user never uses clones. Indeed, sentinels create **identity**, the notion that a particular nodes starts at *this* place in the

Re: Is it time to develope using Python 3K?

2015-01-14 Thread Ville M. Vainio
FWIW, I'm pretty pessimistic about Python 3 at this point. Python 2 seems to be good enough for most people. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Kent Tenney kten...@gmail.com wrote: I recently tried to switch to v3, as I remember, I was thwarted by problems having to do with PyQT in a virtualenv.