Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-04-01 Thread Viktor Ransmayr
Hello Edward, Am Dienstag, 27. März 2012 14:53:03 UTC+2 schrieb Edward K. Ream: Adding multiple sets of (colored) links will be one of the defining features of Leo 5.0. But that's almost so easy as to be not worth discussing! Much of Leo's long-term development will focus on huge

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-04-01 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Viktor Ransmayr viktor.ransm...@gmail.com wrote: At least from my point of view I would also add documentation to this list. A reasonable idea, but I have reservations. The problem, imo, is that people don't typically read documentation ;-) The best designs,

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-04-01 Thread Viktor Ransmayr
Hello Edward, Am Sonntag, 1. April 2012 14:14:34 UTC+2 schrieb Edward K. Ream: On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Viktor Ransmayr viktor.ransm...@gmail.com wrote: At least from my point of view I would also add documentation to this list. A reasonable idea, but I have reservations. The

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-04-01 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Viktor Ransmayr viktor.ransm...@gmail.com wrote: Aren't you comparing apples and oranges here? - The iPhone is a device or a UX-Technology, while Leo is an app (outliner, editor, PIM, IDE, etc.) That's true. But I still don't think that documentation is all

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-04-01 Thread HansBKK
On Monday, April 2, 2012 2:51:16 AM UTC+7, Edward K. Ream wrote: That's true. But I still don't think that documentation is all that useful. For interesting questions one must ask. IMO there should always be a step-by-step getting started cookbook targeted to the relative noob on

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-03-28 Thread vitalije
I think that fossil http://www.fossil-scm.org is worth trying when we speak of distributed systems. It consists of just one executable and it has included http transport, standalone http server, cgi enabled,... Actually I have made some simple script-buttons few months ago to disassemble Leo

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-03-28 Thread HansBKK
I realize I'm speaking from a technically impoverished background, and I am repeating myself, but only because I really think this is important. If I'm way off base, missing something fundamental about the desired functionality please let me know, or of course feel free to ignore. IMO if it's

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-03-28 Thread vitalije
On Wednesday, March 28, 2012 12:16:38 PM UTC+2, HansBKK wrote: Selecting any one of git/fossil/mercurial etc as a dependency for distributed Leo will IMO deliver a much lower return on effort expended than a solution that allows a group to go Leo on top of whatever cool tool they're

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-03-28 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 5:16 AM, HansBKK hans...@gmail.com wrote: IMO if it's at all possible, a solution should be implemented that is generic and carried in the filesystem and therefore not proprietary to any single DVCS - or other file-sync-and-merge tools like Dropbox or Unison or. True,

Items for Leo 5.0

2012-03-27 Thread Edward K. Ream
Adding multiple sets of (colored) links will be one of the defining features of Leo 5.0. But that's almost so easy as to be not worth discussing! Much of Leo's long-term development will focus on huge distributed Leo outlines. This also relates to wishlist bug: sync nodes to a common

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-03-27 Thread Kent Tenney
Zope provides a coding framework which has evolved into a set of tools and a very disciplined methodology. Folks who understand the complexity and use the idioms correctly seem to build apps which don't end up hitting walls due to scale or extensibility. This seems to come at the price of a

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-03-27 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Kent Tenney kten...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think the Z world would provide a lot of help with distributed/shared outlines. If Leo is to stand on shoulders here, my guess is that the giant would more likely be one of the distributed versioning systems. Git

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-03-27 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Mar 27, 9:42 am, Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: I'll put git on the list of things to study. Linus's talk at Google is so interesting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 It would be great to have Leo be distributed in the way he describes... EKR -- You received this

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-03-27 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Mar 27, 10:19 am, Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 27, 9:42 am, Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: I'll put git on the list of things to study. Linus's talk at Google is so interesting:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 It would be great to have Leo be

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-03-27 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Mar 27, 10:36 am, Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still watching.  This is a terrific talk.  Way better than average. Leo (.leo files) makes merging harder. Git makes merging easier, so Linus says. I wonder whether we could use the git tricks in Leo, or just simply use git

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-03-27 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Mar 27, 10:45 am, Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: Leo (.leo files) makes merging harder.  Git makes merging easier, so Linus says.  I wonder whether we could use the git tricks in Leo, or just simply use git to merge .leo files... Git doesn't track files, it tracks content.

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-03-27 Thread Ville M. Vainio
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Huge Leo outlines would likely be based on zodb or Zope itself. The next thought was new:  Zope has *already* solved many (all?) the problems that Leo would encounter with distributed/shared outlines. So rather than

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-03-27 Thread Ville M. Vainio
... and by faster, I mean both speed at which it gets implemented, and speed at which it executes. On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Edward K. Ream edream...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Huge Leo outlines would likely be based

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-03-27 Thread Edward K. Ream
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Ville M. Vainio vivai...@gmail.com wrote: It would probably be a much faster and orthodox solution to expand on the sqlite work, already done. Thanks for the reminder. I'll keep this in mind. EKR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: Items for Leo 5.0

2012-03-27 Thread PMario
This may be of interest. http://www.confreaks.com/videos/443-rubyconf2010-git-the-stupid-nosql-database -m -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups leo-editor group. To post to this group, send email to leo-editor@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this