jhalfs package download

2006-05-02 Thread Bruce Dubbs
I don't know if this is a LFS or ALFS problem so I'm sending it to both. When downloading the sources to a clean system, I got: texinfo-4.8-multibyte-1.patch not match MD5SUMS value The MD5SUMS file has 05046c0337140242234686da009d6493 Running locally has 6cb5b760cfdd2dd53a0430eb572a8aaa The

Re: jhalfs package download

2006-05-02 Thread Justin R. Knierim
Bruce Dubbs wrote: I don't know if this is a LFS or ALFS problem so I'm sending it to both. When downloading the sources to a clean system, I got: texinfo-4.8-multibyte-1.patch not match MD5SUMS value The MD5SUMS file has 05046c0337140242234686da009d6493 Running locally has

Re: Rally the Troops LFS/BLFS/CLFS/Livecd too

2006-05-02 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 4/30/06, Andrew Benton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bryan Kadzban wrote: Andrew Benton wrote: How will your non-glibc userspace packages use inotify? Yes, glibc has support for its syscalls, but the LLH headers do not, and AFAIK glibc doesn't install headers for it; userspace programs

Re: Addressing cyrus-sasl ldapdb circular build

2006-05-02 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 4/30/06, Archaic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do the same thing, but with sql, but always considered it hint material at best (and I never got around to writing the hint). BTW, Dan, I've not looked at the wiki yet, but there is a patch to make SASL understand md5 and sha1 hashed passwords.

Re: Xorg 7 dependencies - ed

2006-05-02 Thread Joseph Felps
On 5/2/06, Dan Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/30/06, Archaic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Apr 25, 2006 at 03:36:01PM -0700, Dan Nicholson wrote: If no one is against this, I will add ed to the required dependencies of Xorg. Aaak! Wouldn't a sed to use sed be preferred? Why

Re: Thoughts on Tcl (long but necessary)

2006-05-02 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 4/28/06, Randy McMurchy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Working with the Tcl update and trying to go ahead and simplify the instructions and use the 'make install-private-headers' target. For some background, visit http://wiki.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/ticket/1897 snip 3. This ugly sed will

[RFC] Stable kernels

2006-05-02 Thread Ken Moffat
At last, I'm *really* subscribed from this address, so I'll have another go at trying to send this :) Now that we have maintenance of the stable kernel, I think we should point people to the latest incremental release of the same kernel version. So, if we release a book with 2.6.16.12 and

Re: [RFC] Stable kernels

2006-05-02 Thread Archaic
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 04:39:28PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: At last, I'm *really* subscribed from this address, so I'll have another go at trying to send this :) Now that we have maintenance of the stable kernel, I think we should point people to the latest incremental release of the same

Re: [RFC] Stable kernels

2006-05-02 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Ken Moffat wrote: (ii.) Because the changes are tiny, I assume SBU and space measurements can be carried forward - I think the figures for 2.6.16.5 were mine, in which case they are accurate for that version on my machine with my .config but may have only a glancing relevance to your

Re: [RFC] Stable kernels

2006-05-02 Thread Archaic
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 11:03:42AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: At some point, we need to freeze the kernel, just like every other package. Users are free to upgrade to the latest of any package of course, but we need a constant platform for testing. The best way to test, IMO, is via building

Re: Finalizing the sanity checks

2006-05-02 Thread M.Canales.es
El Martes, 2 de Mayo de 2006 02:01, Jeremy Huntwork escribió: Also, here's an svn diff of the source files so you can see what I did with the XIncludes. Manuel is this good enough, or do you have a better idea? http://linuxfromscratch.org/~jhuntwork/sanity-checks.diff The method used is not

Re: Finalizing the sanity checks

2006-05-02 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
M.Canales.es wrote: The method used is not very elegant. That dummy sect2 are hugly in both the XML and the HTML output code (the output look is good). Yeah I know. :/ I think that will be best to use a similar method that the one used in CLFS. That will allow us to insert/remove paras or

Re: [RFC] Stable kernels

2006-05-02 Thread matthew
Archaic wrote: New features are often added or at least heavily modified from 2.6.xx.y to 2.6.xx.y+1. Really? Care to give me an example? While I know the above is intentionally true for 2.6.x - 2.6.x+1 changes, I can't remember having seen any new features or anything else that wasn't a

Re: Rally the Troops LFS/BLFS/CLFS/Livecd too

2006-05-02 Thread Andrew Benton
Dan Nicholson wrote: I have to agree with Bryan on this one. Half the reason that the headers in include/{linux,asm} are static is because you want to advertise the same set of kernel interfaces to userspace programs that your C libraries are aware of. Isn't it up to the glibc headers to say

Re: [RFC] Stable kernels

2006-05-02 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 11:03:42AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: I think you are using the term 'stable release' in slightly different ways. In one place you mention 2.6.x.y - 2.6.x.y+1 and another 2.6.x.y - 2.6.x+1 and treat them slightly differently. From what I understand, both are

testing inotify

2006-05-02 Thread Archaic
I don't currently run anything that requires or even can use inotify (that I'm aware of), but I need to test the inotify patch for inclusion in the book. If anyone can provide me a simple method of testing (I'm leaning towards dovecot) that also tests it accurately, I'd appreciate it. I'd like to

Re: testing inotify

2006-05-02 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 5/2/06, Archaic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't currently run anything that requires or even can use inotify (that I'm aware of), but I need to test the inotify patch for inclusion in the book. If anyone can provide me a simple method of testing (I'm leaning towards dovecot) that also tests

Re: testing inotify

2006-05-02 Thread Archaic
Thanks for the info, Dan. I forgot to ask (and it's OT according to the subject line), but do you have some advice about testing the new syscalls, or better yet, does anyone see a need to include the new syscalls? -- Archaic Want control, education, and security from your operating system?

Re: [Fwd: Re: modprobe bug for aliases with regular expressions]

2006-05-02 Thread Archaic
On Sat, Apr 15, 2006 at 09:19:41AM +0600, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: From: Greg KH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:19:27 -0700 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 Subject: Re: modprobe bug for aliases with regular expressions On Fri,

Re: testing inotify

2006-05-02 Thread Jim Gifford
Here's a simple program to test with archaic. http://freshmeat.net/redir/inotify-tools/63227/url_tgz/inotify-tools-1.4.tar.gz -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above information page

Re: testing inotify

2006-05-02 Thread Dan Nicholson
On 5/2/06, Archaic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the info, Dan. I forgot to ask (and it's OT according to the subject line), but do you have some advice about testing the new syscalls, or better yet, does anyone see a need to include the new syscalls? Maybe Greg will chime in if he's

Re: testing inotify

2006-05-02 Thread Archaic
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 01:50:58PM -0700, Jim Gifford wrote: Here's a simple program to test with archaic. Thanks Jim. :) -- Archaic Want control, education, and security from your operating system? Hardened Linux From Scratch http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hlfs --

Re: testing inotify

2006-05-02 Thread Greg Schafer
Archaic wrote: or better yet, does anyone see a need to include the new syscalls? I'm surprised this question has been asked. It's Glibc FAQ material: http://sources.redhat.com/glibc/glibc-faq.html#s-1.8 And for an explanation with more details, pls see here:

Re: [RFC] Stable kernels

2006-05-02 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 10:10:29AM -0600, Archaic wrote: On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 11:03:42AM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: At some point, we need to freeze the kernel, just like every other package. Users are free to upgrade to the latest of any package of course, but we need a constant

Re: [RFC] Stable kernels

2006-05-02 Thread Archaic
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 11:44:43PM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: If I'm reading you correctly, that is a pity. 2.6.16.13 is out now with one fix: NETFILTER: SCTP conntrack: fix infinite loop (CVE-2006-1527) I still say that while the -stable team is updating the kernel version we have

Re: [RFC] Stable kernels

2006-05-02 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 05:06:24PM -0600, Archaic wrote: It is a no-brainer. The problem is in that they don't seem to do much testing. They spit out versions left and right instead of slowing down a bit, doing some testing, and then releasing. Obviously some like the new release method

Re: [RFC] Stable kernels

2006-05-02 Thread Archaic
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 01:07:49AM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: At the moment, we seem happy to let people stick with the kernel they built when they built LFS. I don't understand. We don't control what a user does. We give a build recipe, throw in some educational material, give guidelines on

Re: [RFC] Stable kernels

2006-05-02 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 06:22:49PM -0600, Archaic wrote: On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 01:07:49AM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: At the moment, we seem happy to let people stick with the kernel they built when they built LFS. I don't understand. We don't control what a user does. We give a build

Grub

2006-05-02 Thread Bruce Dubbs
I can't recall this being discussed before, but if so just say so and we can just press on. When looking at the grub install we do: ./configure --prefix=/usr This puts the executables in /usr/sbin. Do we really want grub's executables there or in /sbin? Grub seems like something that an admin

Re: Stable kernels

2006-05-02 Thread Ioan Ionita
On 5/2/06, Archaic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. There is no stable 2.6 upstream kernel. That is intentional. The 4th dotted increment (since the 3rd is patchlevel, what is the 4th called? micro?) means nothing to kernel devs anymore. It is not just for bug fixes. New features are often

md5sums

2006-05-02 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Hey Guys, When the devs update a package, they'll have to go upstream and get said package first and test it out before committing anyway. It would be very convenient for jhalfs (and for Justin as FTP mirror maintainer?) to keep a list of correct md5sums in the actual LFS book as well. The

Re: testing inotify

2006-05-02 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Greg Schafer wrote: The bottom line is that you absolutely want your Glibc to be aware of new kernel syscalls otherwise there isn't a hope in hell of them ever being called by Glibc, even if you upgrade your kernel or user apps at a later date. Yes. However, do you necessarily need to have

Re: md5sums

2006-05-02 Thread Archaic
On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 11:14:08PM -0400, Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Would anyone mind if we kept an MD5SUMS file in the book's repo? Yes, but only because I would rather see it in the book proper now that we are pointing to specific tarballs. If you put them in general.ent with the version

Re: md5sums

2006-05-02 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Archaic wrote: Yes, but only because I would rather see it in the book proper now that we are pointing to specific tarballs. If you put them in general.ent with the version entities, it would make it rather difficult to forget to update them, too! :) Sure... make it more useful than I meant

Re: Grub

2006-05-02 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Bruce Dubbs wrote: I can't recall this being discussed before, but if so just say so and we can just press on. When looking at the grub install we do: ./configure --prefix=/usr This puts the executables in /usr/sbin. Do we really want grub's executables there or in /sbin? Grub seems like

Re: rule verification

2006-05-02 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
Archaic wrote: Can you grab http://downloads.linuxfromscratch.org/udev-config-20060430.tar.bz2 and check it out. Especially the rules you say are Suse-specific. If Jim hasn't said anything by the time you reply, please tell me specifically which lines to remove. Thanks! There are some points

Re: Grub

2006-05-02 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Bruce Dubbs wrote: I can't recall this being discussed before, but if so just say so and we can just press on. When looking at the grub install we do: ./configure --prefix=/usr This puts the executables in /usr/sbin. Do we really want grub's executables there or in

Re: md5sums

2006-05-02 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Archaic wrote: Yes, but only because I would rather see it in the book proper now that we are pointing to specific tarballs. If you put them in general.ent with the version entities, it would make it rather difficult to forget to update them, too! :) Sure... make it

Re: md5sums

2006-05-02 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Bruce Dubbs wrote: At first I thought you wanted to put a file in the repository, but not i n the book. Now you want to put them in the book? Where? On pages 3.2 and 3.3? Originally I did just want a separate file to be included with the book's source. But, after Archaic reminded me that

Note about Shadow instructions

2006-05-02 Thread Chris Staub
There is a warning towards the end of the Shadow instructions saying that you should try to login and su to verify that it works with PAM so that you can be sure you will be able to log on to your system. Shouldn't the same suggestion apply if simply rebuilding Shadow with Cracklib support?

Re: rule verification

2006-05-02 Thread Archaic
+= to NAME=). I take it you are referring to: SUBSYSTEM==usb_device, PROGRAM=/bin/sh -c 'X=%k X=$${X#usbdev} B=$${X.*} D=$${X#*.}; echo bus/usb/$$B/$$D', NAME=%c I put it at the beginning of the USB section. The new tarball is here: http://downloads.linuxfromscratch.org/udev-config-20060502

Re: md5sums

2006-05-02 Thread Justin R. Knierim
Jeremy Huntwork wrote: The current problem I'm encountering with jhalfs is that if a package gets updated in the book, there's a gap in between the time the repository is updated and the MD5SUMS file on Justin's server reflects the change which makes downloading difficult. That makes sense.

Re: Note about Shadow instructions

2006-05-02 Thread Archaic
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 12:24:57AM -0400, Chris Staub wrote: Also (the reason why I'm CC'ing LFS-dev) has anyone considered that something like this should be mentioned in LFS as well? There should be more emphasis on the passwd root command, saying that this is not only a good idea to

Re: md5sums

2006-05-02 Thread Archaic
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 12:11:53AM -0400, Jeremy Huntwork wrote: Originally I did just want a separate file to be included with the book's source. But, after Archaic reminded me that we actually link directly to the packages now, it seems like a good idea to include the info in

Re: Note about Shadow instructions

2006-05-02 Thread Chris Staub
Archaic wrote: Pam can be a bear if you aren't careful. I've never heard of shadow locking root out due to a configuration or compilation error, but PAM is well-known for it (though granted it is generally user error). The most common problem (which does break break shadow) on the support

Re: rule verification

2006-05-02 Thread Bruce Dubbs
and the firmware one to 27-firmware.rules. Of course, this is still POC stuff and the layout is still forming. I would just like to add a note here. I just brought up my 20060502 system on my laptop for the first time and got several errors from 25-lfs.rules. Upon investigation, they had to do with scsi

Re: rule verification

2006-05-02 Thread steve crosby
On 5/3/06, Archaic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 11:58:44PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: snip As a related issue, but perhaps off topic, does anyone know how to reduce the number of tty devices? My system shows tty0..tty63 and I don't think I need nearly that many. I