[lfs-support] LFS-7.4-rc1 is released

2013-08-16 Thread Bruce Dubbs
The Linux From Scratch community is pleased to announce the release of 
LFS Version 7.4-rc1. This is the first release candidate on the road to 
LFS-7.4. It is a major release with toolchain updates to binutils, 
glibc, and gcc. In total, 32 packages were updated from LFS-7.3 and 
changes to bootscripts and text have been made throughout the book.

We encourage all users to read through this release of the book and test 
the instructions so that we can make the final release as good as possible.

You can read the book online at
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/7.4-rc1/, or download from 
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/7.4-rc1/ to read locally.

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[lfs-support] Newbie

2013-08-16 Thread inquiring . mind
Hello all,

1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see the section 
that says how to download the source file packages ready to work through the 
programme.

2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use as a base 
that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the host requirements page 
(http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html) as all 
the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS, Gentoo, etc) all 
fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on BISON while others on GCC, a 
package I suspect to be rather important in this endeavour.

3. I recently bought a new computer with no OS on it just for installing Linux 
on it and learning more about it so LFS seemed to be ideal. It's a new platform 
with UEFI instead of the older BIOS a 3TB HDD. I read that on drives like this, 
the old fdisk tool is insufficient but the only instructions I've seen in the 
manual are for the older, fdisk programme. I read something about needing to 
install a FAT32 partition at the start or something like that but wasn't sure 
if this was right or not as I know that FS is quite different to any *nix based 
filesystems.

I realise there are a few different points here but would appreciate some help 
on this to get me started.

Thanks in advance.

IM.

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[lfs-support] Newbie

2013-08-16 Thread inquiring . mind
Hello all,

1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see the section 
that says how to download the source file packages ready to work through the 
programme.

2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use as a base 
that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the host requirements page 
(http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html) as all 
the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS, Gentoo, etc) all 
fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on BISON while others on GCC, a 
package I suspect to be rather important in this endeavour.

3. I recently bought a new computer with no OS on it just for installing Linux 
on it and learning more about it so LFS seemed to be ideal. It's a new platform 
with UEFI instead of the older BIOS a 3TB HDD. I read that on drives like this, 
the old fdisk tool is insufficient but the only instructions I've seen in the 
manual are for the older, fdisk programme. I read something about needing to 
install a FAT32 partition at the start or something like that but wasn't sure 
if this was right or not as I know that FS is quite different to any *nix based 
filesystems (http://www.rodsbooks.com/gdisk/gdisk.html)

I realise there are a few different points here but would appreciate some help 
on this to get me started.

Thanks in advance.

IM.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

2013-08-16 Thread Bruce Dubbs
inquiring.m...@hushmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,

 1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see the
 section that says how to download the source file packages ready to
 work through the programme.

 2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use
 as a base that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the host
 requirements page
 (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html)
 as all the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS,
 Gentoo, etc) all fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on
 BISON while others on GCC, a package I suspect to be rather important
 in this endeavour.

Any of those should be OK, but you will need to update them by adding a 
few packages.  The procedures you use depend on which is used.

 3. I recently bought a new computer with no OS on it just for
 installing Linux on it and learning more about it so LFS seemed to be
 ideal. It's a new platform with UEFI instead of the older BIOS a 3TB
 HDD. I read that on drives like this, the old fdisk tool is
 insufficient but the only instructions I've seen in the manual are
 for the older, fdisk programme. I read something about needing to
 install a FAT32 partition at the start or something like that but
 wasn't sure if this was right or not as I know that FS is quite
 different to any *nix based filesystems.

You will need to install a GPT partition table.  The distros above 
should do that for you.  Just make sure to leave room for LFS. 
Generally a build partition of 10G is plenty.  Personally, I'd keep the 
*buntu, RH, etc partition small.  10G is fine for them too.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

2013-08-16 Thread Carl Thorn





 From: inquiring.m...@hushmail.com inquiring.m...@hushmail.com
To: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org 
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 1:46 PM
Subject: [lfs-support] Newbie
 

Hello all,

1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see the section 
that says how to download the source file packages ready to work through the 
programme.

2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use as a base 
that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the host requirements page 
(http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html) as all 
the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS, Gentoo, etc) all 
fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on BISON while others on GCC, a 
package I suspect to be rather important in this endeavour.

3. I recently bought a new computer with no OS on it just for installing Linux 
on it and learning more about it so LFS seemed to be ideal. It's a new platform 
with UEFI instead of the older BIOS a 3TB HDD. I read that on drives like this, 
the old fdisk tool is insufficient but the only instructions I've seen in the 
manual are for the older, fdisk programme. I read something about needing to 
install a FAT32 partition at the start or something like that but wasn't sure 
if this was right or not as I know that FS is quite different to any *nix based 
filesystems.

I realise there are a few different points here but would appreciate some help 
on this to get me started.

Thanks in advance.

IM.
Any distribution will do. Use unetbootin and put the image on a usb drive 
allowing space to save your work Then add any packages you may need to meet the 
host requirements.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

2013-08-16 Thread William Harrington

On Aug 16, 2013, at 1:46 PM, inquiring.m...@hushmail.com wrote:

 Hello all,

 1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see  
 the section that says how to download the source file packages ready  
 to work through the programme.

 2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use  
 as a base that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the  
 host requirements page 
 (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html 
 ) as all the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS,  
 Gentoo, etc) all fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on  
 BISON while others on GCC, a package I suspect to be rather  
 important in this endeavour.

 3. I recently bought a new computer with no OS on it just for  
 installing Linux on it and learning more about it so LFS seemed to  
 be ideal. It's a new platform with UEFI instead of the older BIOS a  
 3TB HDD. I read that on drives like this, the old fdisk tool is  
 insufficient but the only instructions I've seen in the manual are  
 for the older, fdisk programme. I read something about needing to  
 install a FAT32 partition at the start or something like that but  
 wasn't sure if this was right or not as I know that FS is quite  
 different to any *nix based filesystems.

 I realise there are a few different points here but would appreciate  
 some help on this to get me started.

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/prerequisites.html

You should know how to download packages. The links are given in the  
section of the book about packages and patches.

For a livecd you can use the one I keep updated 
http://cross-lfs.org/~kb0iic/livecdupd/

or any other livecd which meets the host system requirements. The host  
sys reqs page does state that dev packages may need to be installed.

There are wikis about configuring bootloaders for EUFI, and if you  
have the above and patience and don't want quick answers and can  
search mailing lists and documentation, then you will most likely  
succeed.

LFS has a FAQ, has a mailing list (which is archived by gmane and  
others to search), do not take the LFS support page and download page  
and book for granted. Read and comprehend and have fun building LFS.

Sincerely,

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

2013-08-16 Thread Jean-Philippe MENGUAL
On vendredi 16 août 2013 à 19:46:24 (+0100), inquiring.m...@hushmail.com wrote:
 Hello all,

Hi,

 1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see the section 
 that says how to download the source file packages ready to work through the 
 programme.

LFS is a book. On the website, in section LFS, you can download it or read it
on line. Read all the book and you will have a fepter in it which will help you
downloading all xou need. But read the whole book (except maybe the changelog).
Don't skip anything. To download the packages, everything is explained chap3.

 2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use as a base 
 that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the host requirements page 
 (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html) as 
 all the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS, Gentoo, etc) 
 all fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on BISON while others on 
 GCC, a package I suspect to be rather important in this endeavour.

I'd say some Debian or Gentoo LiveCD works fine. At the starting of the book,
you'll be able to check wether you have host prerequisities and, otherwise, 
install
the needed. Ubuntu seems to cause, sometimes, issues, but maybe things have 
changed.

 3. I recently bought a new computer with no OS on it just for installing 
 Linux on it and learning more about it so LFS seemed to be ideal. It's a new 
 platform with UEFI instead of the older BIOS a 3TB HDD. I read that on drives 
 like this, the old fdisk tool is insufficient but the only instructions I've 
 seen in the manual are for the older, fdisk programme. I read something about 
 needing to install a FAT32 partition at the start or something like that but 
 wasn't sure if this was right or not as I know that FS is quite different to 
 any *nix based filesystems.

As far I know, you can toogle, in your bios, between classical and UEFI mode.
You should enable classic mode.

Your question goes beyond the primary purpose of the project. I don't know. You
should read how to install a classical distro such as Debian, Arch or Gentoo on
such configurations. As you'll see, lfs doesn't explain topics such as kernel
configuration, etc. You should learn more about these stuff before starting
such build.

 I realise there are a few different points here but would appreciate some 
 help on this to get me started.
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 IM.
 
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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

2013-08-16 Thread Aleksandar Kuktin
Hello and welcome. Feel as if at home.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 19:46:24 +0100
inquiring.m...@hushmail.com wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see the
 section that says how to download the source file packages ready to
 work through the programme.

You either have to download them yourself, one at a time, or get
yourself a copy of the LFS live CD which has them all in one place.

However, I am pretty certain that the LFS live CD has not been
maintained for some time and therefore the packages you can find on one
will almost certainly be old.

 2. I'd also like to know which LIVE CD/DVD you can recommend to use
 as a base that satisfies all the criteria from the script on the host
 requirements page
 (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/prologue/hostreqs.html)
 as all the distro's I've chosen (major ones like Kubuntu, CentOS,
 Gentoo, etc) all fail on one or more element. Some of them fail on
 BISON while others on GCC, a package I suspect to be rather important
 in this endeavour.

As stated above, you can use the LFS live CD although it is rather old.

The other alternative is to take a distro which is close to what you
need and just add the missing stuff to it.

 3. I recently bought a new computer with no OS on it just for
 installing Linux on it and learning more about it so LFS seemed to be
 ideal. It's a new platform with UEFI instead of the older BIOS a 3TB
 HDD. I read that on drives like this, the old fdisk tool is
 insufficient but the only instructions I've seen in the manual are
 for the older, fdisk programme. I read something about needing to
 install a FAT32 partition at the start or something like that but
 wasn't sure if this was right or not as I know that FS is quite
 different to any *nix based filesystems.

The fdisk manual page states that fdisk was, in fact, not designed for
big partitions. It further states that one should use the more advanced
GNU parted for such disks. Therefore, use parted. And I'm pretty sure
you can ignore that FAT32 at the start part.

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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

2013-08-16 Thread William Harrington


On Aug 16, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Aleksandar Kuktin wrote:

As stated above, you can use the LFS live CD although it is rather  
old.


Can't build current LFS with LFS 6.3 livecd. That's why I've updated  
it. But that will soon come to an end with gcc-4.8.x targets.


the 6.3 livecd uses gcc 4.1.2 which has no Wno-narrowing and another  
variable which causes issues when cross compiling.


I'd need to update the livecd to at least gcc 4.4 or 4.5 to get rid of  
it, not a problem, just letting you know.


A new LFS livecd needs to be available, or get rid of it and have a  
wiki for people to look toward to hosts that work wtih LFS and the  
commands required to get them to the point if they don't meet the host  
system requirements.


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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

2013-08-16 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Jean-Philippe MENGUAL wrote:

 As far I know, you can toogle, in your bios, between classical and UEFI 
 mode.
 You should enable classic mode.

Not with a 3T drive.

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Re: [blfs-support] Need help with libass install

2013-08-16 Thread William Harrington


On Aug 16, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Dave Wagler wrote:

I just can't figure out how to write the configure command to  
suppress this check.


Thanks for any help.


Libass isn't in BLFS. Where did you get libass?  Maybe you need to  
install fribidi!


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Re: [lfs-support] Newbie

2013-08-16 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Aleksandar Kuktin wrote:
 Hello and welcome. Feel as if at home.

 On Fri, 16 Aug 2013 19:46:24 +0100
 inquiring.m...@hushmail.com wrote:

 Hello all,

 1. I just saw the LFS site and would like to try it but can't see the
 section that says how to download the source file packages ready to
 work through the programme.

 You either have to download them yourself, one at a time, or get
 yourself a copy of the LFS live CD which has them all in one place.

They are at http://anduin.linuxfromscratch.org/sources/LFS/lfs-packages/

7.4-rc1 should be there later today.

 The fdisk manual page states that fdisk was, in fact, not designed for
 big partitions. It further states that one should use the more advanced
 GNU parted for such disks. Therefore, use parted. And I'm pretty sure
 you can ignore that FAT32 at the start part.

For a EFI based system it can be a little tricky.  Let a distro do it 
the first time.  gdisk is easier to use than parted.

No, you don't need a FAT partition, but you do need a small (1 MB) grub 
partition. Keep ALL boundaries aligned with even MB to avoid possible 
problems.

   -- Bruce



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