Re: [lfs-support] missing systemd out
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 14:23 +0100, Jorge Almeida wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Simon Geard delga...@ihug.co.nz wrote: There's no information on the site, no source code, mailing lists - just a couple of paragraphs grumbling about dbus, and a claim that it'll be released some time last year or this one. Looks like vapourware to me - Looks like unreleased software, which is what the site says it is. The author has made stuff I use everyday, like s6-* and execline, so I trust it will have substance when released. See, that's the thing - unreleased software isn't something you see a lot in the open-source world. Even from the earliest stages of a new project, you expect to find a source repo, a web site with some info about the design and goals, etc. Lacking those things, I can only be skeptical about what state the project might be in. Simon. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] missing systemd out
On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 20:16 +0100, Jorge Almeida wrote: Ok. I know about skabus, but it's not clear whether it will be able to function as drop-in replacement for dbus. I would love to get rid of dbus completelly. There's no information on the site, no source code, mailing lists - just a couple of paragraphs grumbling about dbus, and a claim that it'll be released some time last year or this one. Looks like vapourware to me - certainly not something that'll displace dbus... Simon. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] missing systemd out
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Simon Geard delga...@ihug.co.nz wrote: There's no information on the site, no source code, mailing lists - just a couple of paragraphs grumbling about dbus, and a claim that it'll be released some time last year or this one. Looks like vapourware to me - Looks like unreleased software, which is what the site says it is. The author has made stuff I use everyday, like s6-* and execline, so I trust it will have substance when released. certainly not something that'll displace dbus... That's another matter. I'm not sure it's supposed to displace dbus for softwares made to use dbus. Jorge -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] missing systemd out
On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 14:47 +0100, Jorge Almeida wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:26 AM, TheOldFellow theoldfel...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also avoiding d-bus and sysklogd as I have better alternatives. Richard, Would you elaborate on alternatives to dbus? There are none - if something needs dbus, it needs dbus, no substitutes. But there are sometimes alternative apps that don't require dbus. Simon. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] missing systemd out
Jorge Almeida wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:26 AM, TheOldFellow theoldfel...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also avoiding d-bus and sysklogd as I have better alternatives. Richard, Would you elaborate on alternatives to dbus? For example, I need to use okular (although I hate its terminal-spamming) and I believe (speaking from memory) that it requires dbus. Any alternative to dbus, in this case? Jorge Sorry, I misled you. I don't have one right now, but I'm thinking of using this when it's released. http://skarnet.org/software/skabus/ In the mean time I plan to avoid anything that won't run without d-bus, as I am very anti anything from that particular stable. Bloatware. Richard. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] missing systemd out
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 7:35 PM, TheOldFellow theoldfel...@gmail.com wrote: Jorge Almeida wrote: On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:26 AM, TheOldFellow theoldfel...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I misled you. I don't have one right now, but I'm thinking of using this when it's released. http://skarnet.org/software/skabus/ In the mean time I plan to avoid anything that won't run without d-bus, as I am very anti anything from that particular stable. Bloatware. Ok. I know about skabus, but it's not clear whether it will be able to function as drop-in replacement for dbus. I would love to get rid of dbus completelly. Cheers Jorge -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] missing systemd out
Am I right in thinking that ACL, ATTR are not needed if systemd is being avoided? What else has had to be added so that systemd compiles? I'm also avoiding d-bus and sysklogd as I have better alternatives. Richard. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] missing systemd out
2014-04-23 17:26 GMT+08:00 TheOldFellow theoldfel...@gmail.com: Am I right in thinking that ACL, ATTR are not needed if systemd is being avoided? What else has had to be added so that systemd compiles? I'm also avoiding d-bus and sysklogd as I have better alternatives. Richard. Viceversa, I'd like to know if I don't want sysvinit. I've removed sysklogd sysvinit bootscript and some adjusting of chapter7. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] missing systemd out
2014-04-23 17:26 GMT+08:00 TheOldFellow theoldfel...@gmail.com: Am I right in thinking that ACL, ATTR are not needed if systemd is being avoided? What else has had to be added so that systemd compiles? I'm also avoiding d-bus and sysklogd as I have better alternatives. Richard. Viceversa, I'd like to know what can be removed if I don't want sysvinit. I've removed sysklogd sysvinit bootscript and some adjusting of chapter7. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] missing systemd out
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Re: [lfs-support] missing systemd out
On 04/23/2014 12:04 PM, xinglp wrote: 2014-04-23 17:26 GMT+08:00 TheOldFellow theoldfel...@gmail.com: Am I right in thinking that ACL, ATTR are not needed if systemd is being avoided? What else has had to be added so that systemd compiles? I'm also avoiding d-bus and sysklogd as I have better alternatives. Richard. Viceversa, I'd like to know what can be removed if I don't want sysvinit. I've removed sysklogd sysvinit bootscript and some adjusting of chapter7. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page Both of you are correct, what you ask can be done. However, it might be a good idea not to drop non-systemd/non-dbus packages (such as acl, attr, libcap, etc) so they can be asumed that they're always installed and be removed from BLFS in the future. -- Note: My last name is not Krejzi. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] missing systemd out
Armin K. wrote: On 04/23/2014 12:04 PM, xinglp wrote: 2014-04-23 17:26 GMT+08:00 TheOldFellow theoldfel...@gmail.com: Am I right in thinking that ACL, ATTR are not needed if systemd is being avoided? What else has had to be added so that systemd compiles? I'm also avoiding d-bus and sysklogd as I have better alternatives. snip Both of you are correct, what you ask can be done. However, it might be a good idea not to drop non-systemd/non-dbus packages (such as acl, attr, libcap, etc) so they can be asumed that they're always installed and be removed from BLFS in the future. Excellent point, I'd forgotten that. Usually though, complex software in BLFS has a 'better' mix of required and recommended dependencies, and includes instructions for those. Richard. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] missing systemd out
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 10:26 AM, TheOldFellow theoldfel...@gmail.com wrote: I'm also avoiding d-bus and sysklogd as I have better alternatives. Richard, Would you elaborate on alternatives to dbus? For example, I need to use okular (although I hate its terminal-spamming) and I believe (speaking from memory) that it requires dbus. Any alternative to dbus, in this case? Jorge -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] missing systemd out
TheOldFellow wrote: Am I right in thinking that ACL, ATTR are not needed if systemd is being avoided? What else has had to be added so that systemd compiles? I'm also avoiding d-bus and sysklogd as I have better alternatives. You may find http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/eudev-alt-hint.txt helpful. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
