Re: [lfs-support] /run directory: Maybe a bit off topic?
On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 12:07 -0400, baho utot wrote: I think there are not many folks that have that on a separate partition. That's really the only problem with using /var/run. If I had to count using my fingers how many systems I have worked on that have /var mounted on a separate partition I could count them even if I had no fingers. Agreed, but some people apparently *do* use it - the usual examples given are around having a rootfs that's unsuitable for containing /var, e.g because it's on read-only media, or it's shared between multiple machines over an NFS mount. And under those circumstances, /run was needed because /var/run couldn't be relied on to exist. Simon. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] /run directory: Maybe a bit off topic?
On Sat, 2014-03-22 at 09:59 -0400, baho utot wrote: I am working on RPM-LFS-7.5 which is LFS with the rpm package manager. I would like to adhere to Filesystem Hierarchy Standard 2.3 so my linux systems file system layout matches/closely matches my FreeBSD systems. When was the /run directory introduced and what package(s) required moving run-time data from /var/run to /run? Just be aware that the FHS was last updated in January 2004 - a little more than a decade ago - and as such is a bit out of date with regard to how Linux distros are doing things. In particular, it's unaware of both the /sys virtual filesystem (added around 2006 as I recall), and the introduction of /run (in 2011 or so). So while it's a useful guideline, I'd suggest not getting too hung up on compliance... Simon. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] /run directory: Maybe a bit off topic?
On 03/23/2014 04:36 AM, Simon Geard wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-22 at 09:59 -0400, baho utot wrote: I am working on RPM-LFS-7.5 which is LFS with the rpm package manager. I would like to adhere to Filesystem Hierarchy Standard 2.3 so my linux systems file system layout matches/closely matches my FreeBSD systems. When was the /run directory introduced and what package(s) required moving run-time data from /var/run to /run? Just be aware that the FHS was last updated in January 2004 - a little more than a decade ago - and as such is a bit out of date with regard to how Linux distros are doing things. In particular, it's unaware of both the /sys virtual filesystem (added around 2006 as I recall), and the introduction of /run (in 2011 or so). So while it's a useful guideline, I'd suggest not getting too hung up on compliance... Simon. Just trying to match what I have on my unix boxes. Even if it hasn't been updated doesn't mean it's not relavent. I understand adding /sys but /run makes no sense as it could have been /var/run which by the way IS in the standard. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] /run directory: Maybe a bit off topic?
On 23 March 2014 11:22, baho utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: On 03/23/2014 04:36 AM, Simon Geard wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-22 at 09:59 -0400, baho utot wrote: I am working on RPM-LFS-7.5 which is LFS with the rpm package manager. I would like to adhere to Filesystem Hierarchy Standard 2.3 so my linux systems file system layout matches/closely matches my FreeBSD systems. When was the /run directory introduced and what package(s) required moving run-time data from /var/run to /run? Just be aware that the FHS was last updated in January 2004 - a little more than a decade ago - and as such is a bit out of date with regard to how Linux distros are doing things. In particular, it's unaware of both the /sys virtual filesystem (added around 2006 as I recall), and the introduction of /run (in 2011 or so). So while it's a useful guideline, I'd suggest not getting too hung up on compliance... Simon. Just trying to match what I have on my unix boxes. Even if it hasn't been updated doesn't mean it's not relavent. I understand adding /sys but /run makes no sense as it could have been /var/run which by the way IS in the standard. Found this: http://lwn.net/Articles/436012/ -- rob -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] /run directory: Maybe a bit off topic?
On 03/23/2014 07:32 AM, Robin wrote: On 23 March 2014 11:22, baho utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: On 03/23/2014 04:36 AM, Simon Geard wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-22 at 09:59 -0400, baho utot wrote: I am working on RPM-LFS-7.5 which is LFS with the rpm package manager. I would like to adhere to Filesystem Hierarchy Standard 2.3 so my linux systems file system layout matches/closely matches my FreeBSD systems. When was the /run directory introduced and what package(s) required moving run-time data from /var/run to /run? Just be aware that the FHS was last updated in January 2004 - a little more than a decade ago - and as such is a bit out of date with regard to how Linux distros are doing things. In particular, it's unaware of both the /sys virtual filesystem (added around 2006 as I recall), and the introduction of /run (in 2011 or so). So while it's a useful guideline, I'd suggest not getting too hung up on compliance... Simon. Just trying to match what I have on my unix boxes. Even if it hasn't been updated doesn't mean it's not relavent. I understand adding /sys but /run makes no sense as it could have been /var/run which by the way IS in the standard. Found this: http://lwn.net/Articles/436012/ Interesting post but /run only applies to linux as BSD doesn't use /run I'll mark this up to anotherlinux only wart. Thanks -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] /run directory: Maybe a bit off topic?
Simon Geard wrote: On Sat, 2014-03-22 at 09:59 -0400, baho utot wrote: I am working on RPM-LFS-7.5 which is LFS with the rpm package manager. I would like to adhere to Filesystem Hierarchy Standard 2.3 so my linux systems file system layout matches/closely matches my FreeBSD systems. When was the /run directory introduced and what package(s) required moving run-time data from /var/run to /run? Just be aware that the FHS was last updated in January 2004 - a little more than a decade ago - and as such is a bit out of date with regard to how Linux distros are doing things. In particular, it's unaware of both the /sys virtual filesystem (added around 2006 as I recall), and the introduction of /run (in 2011 or so). So while it's a useful guideline, I'd suggest not getting too hung up on compliance... See http://www.linuxbase.org/betaspecs/fhs/ for the FHS-3 beta. It's not in really good shape as internally it still says 2004, but I've been working with the maintainers to update the format a bit. That document does have /sys and /run. There is really not a lot of other significant changes. Just a guess, but I think FHS-3 will be released this summer. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] /run directory: Maybe a bit off topic?
baho utot wrote: Just trying to match what I have on my unix boxes. Even if it hasn't been updated doesn't mean it's not relavent. I understand adding /sys but /run makes no sense as it could have been /var/run which by the way IS in the standard. /var doesn't work if it is mounted partition. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] /run directory: Maybe a bit off topic?
On 03/23/2014 11:58 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: baho utot wrote: Just trying to match what I have on my unix boxes. Even if it hasn't been updated doesn't mean it's not relavent. I understand adding /sys but /run makes no sense as it could have been /var/run which by the way IS in the standard. /var doesn't work if it is mounted partition. -- Bruce I think there are not many folks that have that on a separate partition. That's really the only problem with using /var/run. If I had to count using my fingers how many systems I have worked on that have /var mounted on a separate partition I could count them even if I had no fingers. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] /run directory: Maybe a bit off topic?
On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 12:07:49 -0400 baho utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: I think there are not many folks that have that on a separate partition. That's really the only problem with using /var/run. Although I did toy with the idea of changing my system to have /var on a separate partition. It's just that it is hard to find a really good justification for geeking out and spreading your stuff over several storage devices. -- Svi moji e-mailovi su kriptografski potpisani. Proverite ih. All of my e-mails are cryptographically signed. Verify them. -- You don't need an AI for a robot uprising. Humans will do just fine. signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] /run directory: Maybe a bit off topic?
Aleksandar Kuktin wrote: On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 12:07:49 -0400 baho utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com wrote: I think there are not many folks that have that on a separate partition. That's really the only problem with using /var/run. Although I did toy with the idea of changing my system to have /var on a separate partition. It's just that it is hard to find a really good justification for geeking out and spreading your stuff over several storage devices. It does make a little sense in some situations to have /var/log on a separate partition. -- Bruce -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] /run directory: Maybe a bit off topic?
On 03/22/2014 02:59 PM, baho utot wrote: I am working on RPM-LFS-7.5 which is LFS with the rpm package manager. I would like to adhere to Filesystem Hierarchy Standard 2.3 so my linux systems file system layout matches/closely matches my FreeBSD systems. When was the /run directory introduced and what package(s) required moving run-time data from /var/run to /run? It was introduced and first used by udev way before systemd merge. -- Note: My last name is not Krejzi. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] /run directory: Maybe a bit off topic?
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 10:32:13 -0400 From: baho utot baho-u...@columbus.rr.com To: LFS Support List lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org Subject: Re: [lfs-support] /run directory: Maybe a bit off topic? On 03/22/2014 10:08 AM, Armin K. wrote: On 03/22/2014 02:59 PM, baho utot wrote: . . I would like to adhere to Filesystem Hierarchy Standard 2.3 so my linux systems file system layout matches/closely matches my FreeBSD systems. When was the /run directory introduced and what package(s) required moving run-time data from /var/run to /run? It was introduced and first used by udev way before systemd merge. OK thanks You should be able to nail it down further via trac - e.g. search on '/run' /or see what are the few pages that it's currently mainly discussed in lfs-7.5, and check back on their revision histories; /or check back on changelog page for lfs releases; usw. hth, akh -- -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
