Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 01/15/2015 09:07 PM, Al Billings wrote: > You said that I was a “compatriot of that service” > *** Oh, sorry, I thought you were an U.S. citizen. == hk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUuagPXxSAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1m

Re: [liberationtech] Videos for a GNU Internet

El 16/01/15 a las 21:11, carlo von lynX escibió: > Since 31c3 has been very interesting in terms of > politics and hacking, but not as much concerning > technologies that are supposed to lead us out of > the broken Internet, here are the missing videos > from the #youbroketheinternet sessions, expl

[liberationtech] Videos for a GNU Internet

Since 31c3 has been very interesting in terms of politics and hacking, but not as much concerning technologies that are supposed to lead us out of the broken Internet, here are the missing videos from the #youbroketheinternet sessions, exploring the options for a GNU Internet built from scratch.

Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 02:12:38PM -0800, Al Billings wrote: > > > On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Leif Ryge wrote: > > > > > > I did see two answers earlier, Iceland and Switzerland. There are many > > other countries besides those two where it also seems very unlikely that > > companies would be

Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?

> On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:07 PM, Leif Ryge wrote: > > > I did see two answers earlier, Iceland and Switzerland. There are many other > countries besides those two where it also seems very unlikely that companies > would be subjected to the sort of legal orders that we now know US companies > rout

Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 01:37:12PM -0800, Al Billings wrote: > > > On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:18 PM, carlo von lynX > > wrote: > > > > Al, you may want to deviate the discussion towards the 10.000th debate > > about proprietary vs free software, but the topic here is the impossibility > > for a U.S.

Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?

> On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:18 PM, carlo von lynX > wrote: > > You may find it funny, but apparently employees at Google want to > believe PRISM can't possibly have happened. Anything that serves as > an excuse to legitimize staying in that company, earning all that money. I also see a fundamenta

Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?

> On Jan 16, 2015, at 12:18 PM, carlo von lynX > wrote: > > Al, you may want to deviate the discussion towards the 10.000th > debate about proprietary vs free software, but the topic here is > the impossibility for a U.S. company to deliver what it promises. And I asked, and got no answer, as

Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?

Al, you may want to deviate the discussion towards the 10.000th debate about proprietary vs free software, but the topic here is the impossibility for a U.S. company to deliver what it promises. Should the U.S. develop an interest in regaining international trust, they would need to remove several

Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?

On 01/15/2015 11:29 AM, carlo von lynX wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 08:49:31AM -0800, Steve Weis wrote: >> Note you said "users will never know" if e2e is being used, but >> as Moxie says "we'll be surfacing this into the UI" of upgraded >> clients. > > There is a systemic legal problem by whi

Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?

> On Jan 16, 2015, at 10:43 AM, carlo von lynX > wrote: > > so will you return on topic or do you want to > produce the impression the Whatsapp issue is about proprietary > software in general, which it isn't? The Whatsapp “issue” was addressed at least 15 messages ago. -- Liberationtech is p

Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?

Except for the totally unacceptable way you are speaking of a human being here, you aren't saying anything which is incompatible with what I said... so will you return on topic or do you want to produce the impression the Whatsapp issue is about proprietary software in general, which it isn't? On

Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?

> On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:07 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > Open source is not merely ideal, open source > is MANDATORY. It is not sufficient, of course, but it is necessary. > All closed-source software not only may be, but *must be* immediately > dismissed as unsuitable for use, with prejudice,

Re: [liberationtech] Receiving phone verification and 2-Step Verification codes through a 'number inside Iran'

I think that's reasonable, not only due to the potential for interception or blocking of the messages, but also because these usually have a shorter lifespan, which should provide some added protection against the phishing of 2FA codes. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:54 PM, S.Aliakbar Mousavi wrote:

Re: [liberationtech] Receiving phone verification and 2-Step Verification codes through a 'number inside Iran'

I think regardless of its sender, since the authority can read the SMS it would be better to ask users inside the country to use the app rather than a mobile phone number. On 16 January 2015 at 12:44, Amin Sabeti wrote: > Google has sent its codes via SMS with Iranian number since 6 months ago.

Re: [liberationtech] Receiving phone verification and 2-Step Verification codes through a 'number inside Iran'

Google has sent its codes via SMS with Iranian number since 6 months ago. On 16 January 2015 at 17:39, Collin Anderson wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, elham gheytanchi > wrote: > >> I think it means the codes are generated by the state agencies. >> > > They are not, the internation

Re: [liberationtech] Receiving phone verification and 2-Step Verification codes through a 'number inside Iran'

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, elham gheytanchi wrote: > I think it means the codes are generated by the state agencies. > They are not, the international companies would contract with an SMS gateway to send codes. That SMS gateway should be a more or less a dumb pipe that transmits whatever

[liberationtech] Invite to Iran Cyber Dialogue 2015

Hello Libtech, Writing to invite you to *Iran Cyber Dialogue (ICD) * an annual conference on ICT development, internet policy, and diplomacy organized by us, ASL19 . The theme this year is: *Iran, Internet, Opportunities and Challenges *and the Di

Re: [liberationtech] Receiving phone verification and 2-Step Verification codes through a 'number inside Iran'

I think it means the codes are generated by the state agencies. From: col...@averysmallbird.com Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:23:12 -0500 To: liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Receiving phone verification and 2-Step Verification codes through a 'number inside Iran' On

Re: [liberationtech] Receiving phone verification and 2-Step Verification codes through a 'number inside Iran'

On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Nariman Gharib wrote: > I want to know anybody here know is it a big deal or not and how we can > solve this issue? > Their SMS partner probably now has a relationship with a local telecommunications services company. I'm not sure it's anymore dangerous than if

[liberationtech] Receiving phone verification and 2-Step Verification codes through a 'number inside Iran'

Hi Libtech, Many users in Iran are reporting that, since 2-3 months ago when they are trying to active a application through text messages(Telegram,Whatsapp,skype...) or receiving 2-step verification for Google or Facebook, they will receive it through a number inside Iran and sometimes through mo

Re: [liberationtech] Brace for the Quantified Society

Dear Rafal, On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:15 PM, Rafal Rohozinski wrote: ... > What is the Quantified Society? Quite simply, it is the unblinking, > unrelenting and uncensored exposure to systems and devices designed to > monitor and measure every aspect of human existence. In some ways it is like >

[liberationtech] Technology is changing the nature of conflict

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Starting with a Wikipedia edit from 2008 from within the US military that hinted at the British/US intelligence conspiracy Snowden would expose with certainty in 2013, the article attempts to look at the changes happening to the ethos of War and Soldie

[liberationtech] Technology is changing the nature of conflict

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Starting with a Wikipedia edit from 2008 from within the US military that hinted at the British/US intelligence conspiracy Snowden would expose with certainty in 2013, the article attempts to look at the changes happening to the ethos of War and Soldie

Re: [liberationtech] Whatsapp, a Trojan horse for seekers of easy privacy?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 02:46:56PM -0800, Al Billings wrote: > > I thought software freedom and access to the source code was considered > > a requirement for considering a system secure. > > According to whom? I think open source (I???ll leave aside whether ???open > source??? is ???free softwar

[liberationtech] Crypto Party: Phnom Penh, Cambodia, 17 January

Hi all -- I'm generally a lurker/reader of the mailing list, but I'd like to invite you to an event tomorrow in Phnom Penh. Our foreign correspondents club here will be hosting a Crypto Party. The target audience is journalists, though we've had interested already from rights workers and busi