Re: [liberationtech] Privacy, data protection questions

2013-03-29 Thread Graham Donaldson
On 26 Mar 2013, at 23:24, Brian Conley wrote: > Rich, the point is simple, let me put it into a formula: > > (civility + relevant advice) / length = degree to which people consider your > advice That's an awfully glib statement to make if you consider lives at risk of imprisonment or worse

Re: [liberationtech] Privacy, data protection questions

2013-03-27 Thread Andrew Haeg
Hi Brian, Rich: Thanks for engaging me (and one another) here. I take no umbrage at Rich's line of argumentation. In fact, having been a lurker and occasional poster here for several months now, I am well aware there are (as Rich put it) "paranoid clueful paranoid diligent (did I mention paranoid?)

Re: [liberationtech] Privacy, data protection questions

2013-03-27 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, Mar 26, 2013 at 04:24:33PM -0700, Brian Conley wrote: > I generally read most of your comments on this list as I find > them insightful, however in this case, I was struck by your > entirely hostile attitude. You're misreading exasperation and frustration as anger, and you're still focused

Re: [liberationtech] Privacy, data protection questions

2013-03-26 Thread Brian Conley
Rich, the point is simple, let me put it into a formula: (civility + relevant advice) / length = degree to which people consider your advice My point is that you clearly have a lot of the second piece of this formula, however your lack of the prior piece, and the lack of many people on this list

Re: [liberationtech] Privacy, data protection questions

2013-03-26 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:57:10AM -0700, Brian Conley wrote: > Mostly I'm taking issue with your nonconstructive demeanor. Clearly you have no idea how I write when I'm being "nonconstructive". ;-) Think equal proportions Kingsfield[1], Vader, Snape. Season to taste with HST and Mencken, serve

Re: [liberationtech] Privacy, data protection questions

2013-03-25 Thread Brian Conley
Rich, Mostly I'm taking issue with your nonconstructive demeanor. I've not seen you take the Guardian Project to task for trying to solve some of the same problems. I've not seen you take Tor project or Whisper Systems to task. You have essentially shat on someone's head who is taking a risk by be

Re: [liberationtech] Privacy, data protection questions

2013-03-25 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 04:29:38PM -0700, Brian Conley wrote: > Nose to the grindstone Andrew. Use Rich's email to remind you this is hard, > but its still worth doing. I've read this multiple times and I still have no idea how your remarks relate to what I wrote in re the (in)security of smartpho

Re: [liberationtech] Privacy, data protection questions

2013-03-22 Thread Brian Conley
Nose to the grindstone Andrew. Use Rich's email to remind you this is hard, but its still worth doing. Also remember you aren't going to solve these problems, but you may make it easier for people who want to act. Lastly, if Rich is really getting you down, click this link: http://2.bp.blogspot.

Re: [liberationtech] Privacy, data protection questions

2013-03-22 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 09:58:17AM -0500, Andrew Haeg wrote: > We're in the late prototype phase for Groundsource, > a mobile data collection and engagement platform -- designed for > journalists, researchers, NGO's and others to use to gather first-hand > knowledge. We'v

[liberationtech] Privacy, data protection questions

2013-03-22 Thread Andrew Haeg
We're in the late prototype phase for Groundsource, a mobile data collection and engagement platform -- designed for journalists, researchers, NGO's and others to use to gather first-hand knowledge. We've used the prototype to validate the need for the platform, and now p