[liberationtech] Spin alerts

2013-06-10 Thread Todd Davies
Two issues that are tending to get conflated in the wider discourse about PRISM, Boundless Informant, etc. are: (1) Are these programs justifieid? (2) Was it justified to keep the existence of these programs secret? Snowden has said his primary judgment was about question (2), but proponents

Re: [liberationtech] Spin alerts

2013-06-10 Thread Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes
Of course they're not justified, unless you want to flush civil liberties down the drain. On Jun 10, 2013 6:03 PM, Todd Davies dav...@stanford.edu wrote: Two issues that are tending to get conflated in the wider discourse about PRISM, Boundless Informant, etc. are: (1) Are these programs

Re: [liberationtech] Spin alerts

2013-06-10 Thread Matthew Finkel
On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Todd Davies dav...@stanford.edu wrote: Two issues that are tending to get conflated in the wider discourse about PRISM, Boundless Informant, etc. are: (1) Are these programs justifieid? (2) Was it justified to keep the existence of these programs secret?

Re: [liberationtech] Spin alerts

2013-06-10 Thread Todd Davies
On Mon, 10 Jun 2013, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Todd Davies dav...@stanford.edu wrote: Two issues that are tending to get conflated in the wider discourse about PRISM, Boundless Informant, etc. are: (1) Are these programs justifieid? (2) Was it justified to keep