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On 2013.09.10 20.27, Lucas Gonze wrote:
Let's say major corps like ATT and Chase are doing favors for NSA.
Why would they if not for a quid pro quo?
And if they are getting favors in return, isn't that illegal?
I wonder if there is evidence
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On 09/10/2013 03:27 PM, Lucas Gonze wrote:
This may be illustrative:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/10/qwest-ceo-nsa-punished-qwest-refusing-participate-illegal-surveillance-pre-9-11
Again, the cash payments are a deception. They are in no way enough to
compensate these companies. Operational expenses associated with processing
data requests are a small part of the overall cost.
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall j...@cdt.org wrote:
On 9/10/13 4:51 PM,
Let's say major corps like ATT and Chase are doing favors for NSA. Why
would they if not for a quid pro quo?
And if they are getting favors in return, isn't that illegal?
I wonder if there is evidence to show what the payback is.
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On 09/10/2013 09:27 PM, Lucas Gonze wrote:
Let's say major corps like ATT and Chase are doing favors for NSA. Why
would they if not for a quid pro quo?
And if they are getting favors in return, isn't that illegal?
I wonder if there is evidence to show what the payback is.
My thought is that the reported payments to compensate big corps aren't
enough to justify the opportunity cost.
For example, Room 641A. No doubt NSA is putting some cash in, but the
actual revenue is probably 1/1000th the cost to ATT. Renting rooms and taps
to governments is not a business ATT
In general, as has been well documented, the telcos and other firms
charge the government for data records. While possibly distasteful
(they're making money off of giving our data to the gov!), it makes
sense from an operational point of view: there are real, concrete
costs associated with
begin Moritz Bartl quotation of Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:08:18PM +0200:
On 09/10/2013 09:27 PM, Lucas Gonze wrote:
Let's say major corps like ATT and Chase are doing favors for NSA. Why
would they if not for a quid pro quo?
And if they are getting favors in return, isn't that illegal?
The other pressure you mention is just what I was thinking of.
On the one hand there is a threat. Cooperate with NSA or DOD won't
consider your bids. On the other hand there is an offer. Cooperate with
NSA and DOD will favor your bids.
About the cash payments, operational costs are a small part
