[liberationtech] self signing certs by default

2014-03-14 Thread Lucas Gonze
Let's say web servers auto generated self-signed certificates for any domain that didn't supply its own certificate, likely one from an authority. What that would accomplish is to make the stream unreadable over the wire, unless the attacker was willing and able to do an MITM with their own auto

Re: [liberationtech] self signing certs by default

2014-03-14 Thread Nicolás Reynolds
Lucas Gonze lucas.go...@gmail.com writes: Let's say web servers auto generated self-signed certificates for any domain that didn't supply its own certificate, likely one from an authority. What that would accomplish is to make the stream unreadable over the wire, unless the attacker was

Re: [liberationtech] self signing certs by default

2014-03-14 Thread Cypher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 03/14/2014 12:46 PM, Lucas Gonze wrote: Let's say web servers auto generated self-signed certificates for any domain that didn't supply its own certificate, likely one from an authority. What that would accomplish is to make the stream

Re: [liberationtech] self signing certs by default

2014-03-14 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:46:30AM -0700, Lucas Gonze wrote: Let's say web servers auto generated self-signed certificates for any domain that didn't supply its own certificate, likely one from an authority. What that would accomplish is to make the stream unreadable over the wire, unless

Re: [liberationtech] self signing certs by default

2014-03-14 Thread Nicolás Reynolds
Julian Oliver jul...@julianoliver.com writes: His Convergence project is certainly worth a look, too: http://convergence.io/ Shame it didn't catch on. AFAIK it needs a certain critical mass of 'Trust Notaries'. afaict it was a fork of perspectives and perspectives is alive :)

Re: [liberationtech] self signing certs by default

2014-03-14 Thread Julian Oliver
..on Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 04:03:48PM -0300, Nicolás Reynolds wrote: Julian Oliver jul...@julianoliver.com writes: His Convergence project is certainly worth a look, too: http://convergence.io/ Shame it didn't catch on. AFAIK it needs a certain critical mass of 'Trust Notaries'.

Re: [liberationtech] self signing certs by default

2014-03-14 Thread Guido Witmond
On 03/14/14 19:56, Julian Oliver wrote: ..on Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:46:30AM -0700, Lucas Gonze wrote: Let's say web servers auto generated self-signed certificates for any domain that didn't supply its own certificate, likely one from an authority. What that would accomplish is to make the

Re: [liberationtech] self signing certs by default

2014-03-14 Thread Lucas Gonze
The MITM is much more expensive, so would make it unfeasible to maintain current levels of surveillance. The MITM can't be done in secrecy. The client can publish the certificate that it received. This would force the surveillance apparatus to reveal itself. On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:45 PM,

Re: [liberationtech] self signing certs by default

2014-03-14 Thread Guido Witmond
On 03/14/14 22:45, John Adams wrote: You misunderstand the signing practice if you think this is a good idea. I don't get it yet, in which part would I be getting wrong, the signing of server certificates by CAs, or the DNSSEC/DANE part? Please elaborate. Granted, it provides a low level of