Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-22 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/21/2013 07:18 PM, Eleanor Saitta wrote: ...and for any kind of business-related organizational work, much of the time, wherein you do get plenty of actual high-value information. Engineering discussions are often had over e-mail, not just

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-22 Thread Bruce Potter at IRF
That and get everyone to salt every message with a random assortment of words and phrases from flag lists On Jun 21, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: The solution to this is to make encryption more and more widely used. By increasing the number of people with access

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-22 Thread ale fernandez
Hi, On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 18:51:01 +0200 phryk ph...@phryk.net wrote: On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:55:57 -0400 Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: The solution to this is to make encryption more and more widely used. By increasing the number of people with access to encryption technology for

[liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-21 Thread dan mcquillan
a few people who came to our university cryptoparty asked whether they're just going to draw attention to themselves by encrypting email. the latest leaks seems to give a firm 'yes', as the NSA specifically keeps encrypted comms indefinitely. sample news item:

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-21 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It's unfortunate that Ars Technica has chosen that angle, since I believe it misrepresents the situation: if you use encryption, the NSA may indeed retain your encrypted traffic, but won't be able to read it. If you don't use encryption, the NSA will

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-21 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
The solution to this is to make encryption more and more widely used. By increasing the number of people with access to encryption technology for their communications, we dilute this threat. NK On 2013-06-21, at 11:52 AM, Michael Rogers mich...@briarproject.org wrote: Signed PGP part It's

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-21 Thread phryk
On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:55:57 -0400 Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: The solution to this is to make encryption more and more widely used. By increasing the number of people with access to encryption technology for their communications, we dilute this threat. My thought exactly, just

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-21 Thread Joseph Lorenzo Hall
On Fri Jun 21 12:51:11 2013, phryk wrote: On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:55:57 -0400 Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: The solution to this is to make encryption more and more widely used. By increasing the number of people with access to encryption technology for their communications, we

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-21 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/21/2013 11:41 AM, dan mcquillan wrote: how would list members answer the question 'to encrypt or not to encrypt'? Assumption: Your traffic is being recorded. Assumption: You can't transmit anything without leaking at least one bit (You're

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-21 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 06:51:11PM +0200, phryk wrote: On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:55:57 -0400 Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: The solution to this is to make encryption more and more widely used. By increasing the number of people with access to encryption technology for their

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-21 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
From: dan mcquillan d...@internetartizans.co.uk To: Liberation Technologies liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 11:41 AM Subject: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt? a few people who came to our university cryptoparty

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-21 Thread phryk
On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:55:57 -0400 Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: The solution to this is to make encryption more and more widely used. By increasing the number of people with access to encryption technology for their communications, we dilute this threat. My thought exactly, just

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-21 Thread Martin Uecker
On 06/21/2013 10:00 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 06:51:11PM +0200, phryk wrote: On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 11:55:57 -0400 Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote: The solution to this is to make encryption more and more widely used. By increasing the number of people with access to

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-21 Thread Griffin Boyce
dan mcquillan d...@internetartizans.co.uk wrote: a few people who came to our university cryptoparty asked whether they're just going to draw attention to themselves by encrypting email. the latest leaks seems to give a firm 'yes', as the NSA specifically keeps encrypted comms indefinitely.

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-21 Thread Jordan McCarthy
On 06/21/2013 09:57 AM, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: What about the theory that by encrypting all the things we are feeding some massively large NSA cryptanalysis project that uses different flavors of ciphertext to find weaknesses? Very conspiracy theorist-y, but I've heard a few people

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-21 Thread Michael Rogers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/06/13 17:57, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: What about the theory that by encrypting all the things we are feeding some massively large NSA cryptanalysis project that uses different flavors of ciphertext to find weaknesses? Very conspiracy

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-21 Thread Joseph Lorenzo Hall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri Jun 21 14:54:29 2013, Michael Rogers wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/06/13 17:57, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote: What about the theory that by encrypting all the things we are feeding some massively large NSA

Re: [liberationtech] to encrypt or not to encrypt?

2013-06-21 Thread phryk
On Fri, 21 Jun 2013 10:28:51 -0700 Martin Uecker uec...@eecs.berkeley.edu wrote: - email is used a lot (also for important stuff) As far as I can tell, non-techy persons mostly use their email accounts for registering at various websites, online-shopping and that sort of thing, not active