Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage [was: Help test Tor Browser]

2013-06-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 04:02:15PM -0700, Mike Perry wrote: > YaCY and other FOSS engines (in a sibling thread someone mentioned > another that I already forgot) are also something that I will accept > search plugins for the Omnibox, but their result quality, index depth, > and crawl frequency are

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage [was: Help test Tor Browser]

2013-06-26 Thread Axel Simon
On 27/06/13 01:02, Mike Perry wrote: > The Doctor: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 06/24/2013 09:16 PM, Daniel Sieradski wrote: >>> Has there ever been any effort to create an open source search >>> engine that is entirely transparent in both its software and >>> practi

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage [was: Help test Tor Browser]

2013-06-26 Thread Mike Perry
The Doctor: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 06/24/2013 09:16 PM, Daniel Sieradski wrote: > > Has there ever been any effort to create an open source search > > engine that is entirely transparent in both its software and > > practices? (dmoz.org > doesn't count!) > > ...Y

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage

2013-06-26 Thread Mike Perry
Jacob Appelbaum: > Mike Perry: > > In terms of data confidentiality and integrity though, I think it is > > probably true that the Tor hidden service trust root is much stronger > > than the browser CA trust root, even given the 80bit name hash and > > RSA-1024 sized keys (which probably are roughl

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage [was: Help test Tor Browser]

2013-06-26 Thread The Doctor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/24/2013 09:16 PM, Daniel Sieradski wrote: > Has there ever been any effort to create an open source search > engine that is entirely transparent in both its software and > practices? (dmoz.org doesn't count!) ...YaCY? http://yacy.de/ - -- The

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage

2013-06-26 Thread Nick
Quoth Mike Perry: > I find StartPage/Google immensely superior to Duckduckgo/Bing when > searching the "long tail" of technical material (which I do frequently). In that case I agree StartPage probably makes sense. Search engines are mainly useful for long tail things; for other stuff I generally

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage

2013-06-26 Thread Nick
Quoth Mike Perry: > If you're talking about attacks as strong as end-to-end correlation, > then it turns out hidden services have similar weaknesses on that order. > There are a number of points where the adversary can inject themselves > either to observe or manipulate hidden service circuit const

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage

2013-06-26 Thread Jacob Appelbaum
Mike Perry: > Nick: >> Quoth Mike Perry: > Hidden service circuits require ~4X as many Tor router traversals > as normal Tor exit circuits to set up, and unlike normal Tor exit > circuits, they are often *not* prebuilt. Once they are set up, they > still require 2X as many Tor route

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage

2013-06-26 Thread Mike Perry
Nick: > Quoth Mike Perry: > > > > Hidden service circuits require ~4X as many Tor router traversals > > > > as normal Tor exit circuits to set up, and unlike normal Tor exit > > > > circuits, they are often *not* prebuilt. Once they are set up, they > > > > still require 2X as many Tor router trave

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage

2013-06-25 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
>From: Mike Perry >To: liberationtech >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 2:26 AM >Subject: Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage >Google is also unwilling to work with us to deploy rate limiting solutions, even if Tor were to develo

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage

2013-06-25 Thread Nick
Quoth Mike Perry: > > > Hidden service circuits require ~4X as many Tor router traversals > > > as normal Tor exit circuits to set up, and unlike normal Tor exit > > > circuits, they are often *not* prebuilt. Once they are set up, they > > > still require 2X as many Tor router traversals end-to-end

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage

2013-06-24 Thread Mike Perry
Michael Carbone: > On 06/24/2013 10:00 PM, Mike Perry wrote: > > IxQuick has so far successfully negotiated with Google against > > outright banning us. Google sees a spike in IxQuick traffic every > > time we increase StartPage's prominence in TBB, and this does not > > go unnoticed by Google. > >

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage [was: Help test Tor Browser]

2013-06-24 Thread Michael Carbone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/24/2013 10:00 PM, Mike Perry wrote: > Michael Carbone: >> On 06/24/2013 08:20 PM, Mike Perry wrote: >>> I've had a number of people tell me that they vouch for >>> DuckDuckGo. What does this even mean? Nobody seems to be >>> capable of rationally

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage [was: Help test Tor Browser]

2013-06-24 Thread Nadim Kobeissi
On 2013-06-24, at 8:20 PM, Mike Perry wrote: > Nadim Kobeissi: >> I'd just like to add that I'm a DuckDuckGo user myself and that I can >> definitely vouch for the service. > > I've had a number of people tell me that they vouch for DuckDuckGo. What > does this even mean? Nobody seems to be cap

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage [was: Help test Tor Browser]

2013-06-24 Thread Mike Perry
Michael Carbone: > On 06/24/2013 08:20 PM, Mike Perry wrote: > > I've had a number of people tell me that they vouch for DuckDuckGo. > > What does this even mean? Nobody seems to be capable of rationally > > explaining it. > > > > Have you inspected their datacenter/server security? Have you > > a

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage [was: Help test Tor Browser]

2013-06-24 Thread Michael Carbone
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/24/2013 08:20 PM, Mike Perry wrote: > I've had a number of people tell me that they vouch for DuckDuckGo. > What does this even mean? Nobody seems to be capable of rationally > explaining it. > > Have you inspected their datacenter/server securi

Re: [liberationtech] DuckDuckGo vs Startpage [was: Help test Tor Browser]

2013-06-24 Thread Daniel Sieradski
Has there ever been any effort to create an open source search engine that is entirely transparent in both its software and practices? (dmoz.org doesn't count!) -- Daniel Sieradski d...@danielsieradski.com http://danielsieradski.com 315.889.1444 Follow me at http://twitter.com/selfagency Public