Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-02-06 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Caolán McNamara caol...@redhat.com schrieb: Trivial: your own microdistro. (prefix build approach, etc). Honestly, how is that supposed to work. With Briegel: quite simple. Just properly state the dependencies in the package descriptors, tell the target-config to use different

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-02-06 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com schrieb: Luckily we have a micro-distro now; complete with our own build system, and method of packaging; it is called the onebigblob microdistro - and it works as badly as can be expected when trying to target all distros. No. It works as good

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-31 Thread Michael Meeks
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 22:11 +0100, Enrico Weigelt wrote: No, simply state the depencies and let the distros handle the rest. For old legacy systems, simply create an own micro-distro. Luckily we have a micro-distro now; complete with our own build system, and method of packaging; it is

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-31 Thread Michael Meeks
On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 14:44 +0100, Francois Tigeot wrote: I'm still trying to figure out the autogen.sh stuff and make it use the correct paths for libraries; one of the errors I got is really freaking me out: :-) Why would LO need to build it own version of Mozilla/Seamonkey !?

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-31 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 13:30 +, Michael Meeks wrote: and xml security foo - AFAIR the cert management stuff in moz really needs pushing down to NSS, or splitting out. IIRC the real stuff that xmlsecurity needs is all in NSS, while the only bit that xmlsecurity needs from MOZ is simply to

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-31 Thread Michael Meeks
On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 14:38 +, Caolán McNamara wrote: On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 13:30 +, Michael Meeks wrote: and xml security foo - AFAIR the cert management stuff in moz really needs pushing down to NSS, or splitting out. IIRC the real stuff that xmlsecurity needs is all in NSS,

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-31 Thread Francois Tigeot
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 01:27:07PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: Francois: I expect you to google Tor Lillqvist, and think a bit more before typing. I'm sure Tor is a nice fellow; I'm sorry if some of my mails seemed rude, that was not my intent. this does not mean it is worthless having

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-31 Thread Wols Lists
On 31/01/11 00:32, Enrico Weigelt wrote: Little bit trickier when putting on a ISV hat and trying to target all Linux distros One binpkg for all distros ?! The whole idea of this is stupid. Some of my customers didn't listen to me and tried that at any cost, they failed miserably. I haven't

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-30 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Sat, 2011-01-29 at 14:00 +0100, Enrico Weigelt wrote: Hi folks, one of the things which always unnverved me most in OO is the fact that it ships own copies of dozens of standard 3rd-party packages, often very outdated and patched-to-death. For a distro build configuring with

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Tor Lillqvist tlillqv...@novell.com schrieb: Please, are you talking about third-party source code included in the LibreOffice source code (git repositories), source code downloaded as part of the build process (unless one tells it to use a system library), or binaries from either of those

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Francois Tigeot ftig...@wolfpond.org schrieb: Should LO be including 3rd party software to facilitate the work of people who don't know what they are doing ? At the cost of everybody else ? (from devs through package/dist maintainers to end users who all have to waste lots of their

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Caolán McNamara caol...@redhat.com schrieb: For a distro build configuring with --with-system-libs will generally do-the-right-thing. What happens when the software depends on some ancient, long solved bug that's maybe still in the old bundled version ? You'll have to support both the

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-30 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Sun, 2011-01-30 at 22:26 +0100, Enrico Weigelt wrote: * Caolán McNamara caol...@redhat.com schrieb: For a distro build configuring with --with-system-libs will generally do-the-right-thing. What happens when the software depends on some ancient, long solved bug that's maybe still in

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-30 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Caolán McNamara caol...@redhat.com schrieb: That's the argument in favour for using --with-system-libs and its definitely the right choice for distros. The right choice for everybody who's not completely lobotomized ;-P Little bit trickier when putting on a ISV hat and trying to target

[Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-29 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Hi folks, one of the things which always unnverved me most in OO is the fact that it ships own copies of dozens of standard 3rd-party packages, often very outdated and patched-to-death. Obviously this is a nightmare for package engineering. I'm currently in process of identifying those and

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-29 Thread Tor Lillqvist
it ships own copies of dozens of standard 3rd-party packages, standard from the viewpoint of up-to-date Linux distros, that is. Don't forget that LibreOffice is supposed to run also on not-so-up-to-date Linux installations. (As far as I know, the generic Linux build of LibreOffice is, or am I

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-29 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 04:59:27PM +0100, Rene Engelhard wrote: On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 08:36:35AM -0700, Tor Lillqvist wrote: it ships own copies of dozens of standard 3rd-party packages, standard from the viewpoint of up-to-date Linux distros, that is. Don't forget that

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-29 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 08:36:35AM -0700, Tor Lillqvist wrote: And of course, various other Unixes too (although I don't know if we have any active builders/packagers except for BSDs), on which one can be even les sure that there are up-to-date standard 3rd-party packages available.

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-29 Thread Francois Tigeot
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 08:36:35AM -0700, Tor Lillqvist wrote: it ships own copies of dozens of standard 3rd-party packages, standard from the viewpoint of up-to-date Linux distros, that is. Don't forget that LibreOffice is supposed to run also on not-so-up-to-date Linux installations.

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-29 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Francois Tigeot ftig...@wolfpond.org schrieb: There are all sorts of solutions: - using the vendor framework (if they still care/are alive) - installation by hand (configure / make / make install) - lightweight management with tools such as stow:

Re: [Libreoffice] Kicking off 3rdparty packages

2011-01-29 Thread Tor Lillqvist
IMHO, there's no reason to include old versions of third-party packages in LibreOffice proper. Please, are you talking about third-party source code included in the LibreOffice source code (git repositories), source code downloaded as part of the build process (unless one tells it to use a