Re: [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-07 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi all, On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 11:18:02PM +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 04:09:15AM -0800, Pedro wrote: [very long thread] I think the whole concept of manually tracking masterbuilds is mostly broken. I think I have a better solution, and will post about it RSN. I

Re: [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-06 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 04:09:15AM -0800, Pedro wrote: quote author=Lionel Elie Mamane Joe downloads the new changes (git fetch) from time 192 to 196 Joe rebases (or merges) his changes with the new changes at time 198 Joe successfully pushes his changes to the central repository at time 201

Re: [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-06 Thread Pedro
Hi Lionel, Petr, * Your format needs manual conversion to do that. But it has other advantages, which you describe. So shrug I have no strong opinion on this point. While you (devs) think about this would it be possible to implement the Pretty Print date on the About box to match the date

Re: [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-05 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 12/03/2011 10:16 PM, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: Something like: Build assembled from: repo commit date branch core: 4f11d0a 2011-11-16 21:57:28 master help: adcf6d5 2011-11-05 14:01:21 master ... Or instead of pretty-printing the date, just put it as seconds since

Re: [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-05 Thread Pedro
Stephan Bergmann-2 wrote Using pretty-printed dates would make it easier to disambiguate the seven-letter commit ID prefixes to the complete IDs if later commits happen to introduce IDs with the same prefix (in which case the commit date would help narrow done in which commit range to

Re: [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-05 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 02:30:07AM -0800, Pedro wrote: Stephan Bergmann-2 wrote Using pretty-printed dates would make it easier to disambiguate the seven-letter commit ID prefixes to the complete IDs (the commit date would help narrow done in which commit range to look for the given

Re: [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-05 Thread Pedro
Hi Lionel Lionel Elie Mamane wrote You may have missed that my seconds since the epoch (in my example: 1321480648) is also an age, and has mostly the same properties. It is somewhat longer than your format, since it takes an earlier epoch (the standard Unix epoch, 1 Jan 1970). I don't

Re: [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-05 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 06:37:09AM -0800, Pedro wrote: Lionel Elie Mamane wrote You may have missed that my seconds since the epoch (in my example: 1321480648) is also an age, and has mostly the same properties. It is somewhat longer than your format, since it takes an earlier epoch (the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-05 Thread Petr Mladek
Pedro Lino píše v So 03. 12. 2011 v 23:40 +: Hi Lionel Git commit IDs as identifiers have the huge problem that they are not comparable (one cannot say which one is greater) without referring to the repository. How about we also put the *commit* (not author) timestamp (in UTC) of

[Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-03 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi all This is my final request about this subject. Can you please make some sense out of the version naming convention? I was about to reinstall version 3.4.4 (after it was overwritten by 3.5.0 Beta0) and I already had an unpacked install folder on my desktop. The only way I could verify that

Re: [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-03 Thread Andras Timar
Hi Pedro, 2011/12/3 Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com: Hi all This is my final request about this subject. Can you please make some sense out of the version naming convention? I was about to reinstall version 3.4.4 (after it was overwritten by 3.5.0 Beta0) and I already had an unpacked install

Re: [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-03 Thread Andras Timar
Hi Pedro 2011/12/3 Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com: Hi Andras Thank you for your quick and enlightening reply! LibreOffice 3.5 will not unpack anything to desktop. But we can't change the past... :) Fair enough :) You can check what's included and what's not, when you visit for example

Re: [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-03 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi again Andras We have 5 repositories now: core, binfilter, dictionaries, help, and translations. Therefore there are 5 git commit IDs in the About box separated by dashes. These are good identifiers of the build, at least these uniquely identify the source code that the build was made from.

Re: [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-03 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 01:06:18PM +0100, Andras Timar wrote: 2011/12/3 Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com: Another situation: I download a master build from a tinderbox. How do I know the build included? How do I know if the source it was generated from is newer or older than the one I already

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-03 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi again Andras We have 5 repositories now: core, binfilter, dictionaries, help, and translations. Therefore there are 5 git commit IDs in the About box separated by dashes. These are good identifiers of the build, at least these uniquely identify the source code that the build was made from.

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-03 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Korrawit That is, if your 4f11d0a is the first group of IDs in About box, it's the core repository's commit ID. Yes, obviously. Sorry for the confusion. I thought Andras was referring to the single 8 letter/number code added to the Windows install folder name. Where does that come from?

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-03 Thread Tor Lillqvist
I thought Andras was referring to the single 8 letter/number code added to the Windows install folder name. Where does that come from? No need to know. It is just a random (or not so random) sequence of hex digits. If nothing documents it to have some significance, don't assume it to have any

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-03 Thread Pedro Lino
No need to know. It is just a random (or not so random) sequence of hex digits. If nothing documents it to have some significance, don't assume it to have any significance. Thank you for the clarification. It does have some significance. Anyway, even if this was a combination of the GIT IDs

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-03 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 01:06:18PM +0100, Andras Timar wrote: 2011/12/3 Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com: Another situation: I download a master build from a tinderbox. How do I know the build included? How do I know if the source it was generated from is newer or older than the one I already

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-03 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Lionel Git commit IDs as identifiers have the huge problem that they are not comparable (one cannot say which one is greater) without referring to the repository. How about we also put the *commit* (not author) timestamp (in UTC) of the top node (commit), and maybe the branch? That would

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-03 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 11:40:01PM +, Pedro Lino wrote: Git commit IDs as identifiers have the huge problem that they are not comparable (one cannot say which one is greater) without referring to the repository. How about we also put the *commit* (not author) timestamp (in UTC) of the top

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [Libreoffice] Naming builds. Please???

2011-12-03 Thread Pedro Lino
No, my idea was to put the above text in the about box, to replace our current 4f11d0a-adcf6d5-... string. Oh, I see! But then it would be easier to use the pretty printing date instead of having 2 strings to compare for each repository. That would be a nice improvement. What I was proposing