Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-08 Thread Jacobo Aragunde Pérez
El 03/10/13 14:45, Jan Holesovsky escribió: Jacobo Aragunde Pérez píše v Čt 03. 10. 2013 v 10:24 +0200: ... 2. Immutable shapes can be saved to docx with no data loss, but they are transformed to a shape group when saved to odt and this process introduces some errors. ... Regarding 2.,

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-08 Thread Jacobo Aragunde Pérez
El 03/10/13 14:45, Jan Holesovsky escribió: Jacobo Aragunde Pérez píše v Čt 03. 10. 2013 v 10:24 +0200: ... 2. Immutable shapes can be saved to docx with no data loss, but they are transformed to a shape group when saved to odt and this process introduces some errors. ... Regarding 2.,

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-03 Thread Jacobo Aragunde Pérez
El 02/10/13 16:45, Jan Holesovsky escribió: ... Just so that this does not lead to confusion - SmartArt being a real group shape is a relatively recent fix: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=59373b753902f69cd44d183568b084429322e7ab In the previous versions it has been

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-03 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Jacobo, Jacobo Aragunde Pérez píše v Čt 03. 10. 2013 v 10:24 +0200: Extracting some conclusions from the feedback in this thread, probably the most reasonable path having mid-term in mind would be: 1. SmartArt should be imported in an immutable way by default, preserving the original

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-03 Thread Jacobo Aragunde Pérez
El 02/10/13 16:45, Jan Holesovsky escribió: ... Just so that this does not lead to confusion - SmartArt being a real group shape is a relatively recent fix: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=59373b753902f69cd44d183568b084429322e7ab In the previous versions it has been

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Samuel Mehrbrodt
Hi Jacobo, good to see this being improved. I don't think an option in the Options dialog is the best way to go. Users might not expect it there and think it's a bug that you can't edit SmartArt (because you could before) I have another suggestion: You could disable editing SmartArt by

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Mirek M.
Hi guys, On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Samuel Mehrbrodt s.mehrbr...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Jacobo, good to see this being improved. I don't think an option in the Options dialog is the best way to go. Users might not expect it there and think it's a bug that you can't edit SmartArt (because

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Miklos Vajna
On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 01:59:14AM +0300, Andres Gomez ago...@igalia.com wrote: Actually, I've been reading in LibO's Help which is the purpose of the options under Options - Load/Save - MS Office and they seem to be really attached to OLE importing/exporting. Seeing that SmartArt also has

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Jacobo Aragunde Pérez
El 02/10/13 09:58, Miklos Vajna escribió: On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 01:59:14AM +0300, Andres Gomez ago...@igalia.com wrote: Actually, I've been reading in LibO's Help which is the purpose of the options under Options - Load/Save - MS Office and they seem to be really attached to OLE

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Jacobo Aragunde Pérez
El 02/10/13 08:09, Samuel Mehrbrodt escribió: Hi Jacobo, good to see this being improved. I don't think an option in the Options dialog is the best way to go. Users might not expect it there and think it's a bug that you can't edit SmartArt (because you could before) I have another

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Samuel Mehrbrodt
That might be ok for now, but then the default behavior should be as it is now (SmartArt editable). If we have the not-editable Smart-Art as default, we need an easy way to make it editable. Mirek, what do you think? Am 02.10.2013 11:35, schrieb Jacobo Aragunde Pérez: Everything is possible,

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Mirek M.
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodt s.mehrbr...@gmail.comwrote: That might be ok for now, but then the default behavior should be as it is now (SmartArt editable). If we have the not-editable Smart-Art as default, we need an easy way to make it editable. I'd much rather for

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Miklos Vajna
Hi Jacobo, On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:30:31AM +0200, Jacobo Aragunde Pérez jaragu...@igalia.com wrote: In my opinion, the default behaviour should be SmartArt becoming immutable on import. That would be a regression, I'm afraid, since by default ATM you can do that. With the current one, a

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Jacobo, Miklos, Miklos Vajna píše v St 02. 10. 2013 v 14:44 +0200: With the current one, a user can change the shapes but those changes won't be exported back to docx and that's confusing. Indeed. Read the original rationale here:

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Miklos, On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Miklos Vajna vmik...@collabora.co.ukwrote: Hi Jacobo, On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:30:31AM +0200, Jacobo Aragunde Pérez jaragu...@igalia.com wrote: In my opinion, the default behaviour should be SmartArt becoming immutable on import. That would

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Kendy, On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Jan Holesovsky ke...@collabora.com wrote: Hi Jacobo, Miklos, Miklos Vajna píše v St 02. 10. 2013 v 14:44 +0200: With the current one, a user can change the shapes but those changes won't be exported back to docx and that's confusing.

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Mirek, Mirek M. píše v St 02. 10. 2013 v 17:01 +0200: The problem is that there's no indication that you lose data with Ungroup. (In general, the only data I would expect to lose by using Ungroup is group-related metadata.) There would be indication, but only ex-post; I hope that is

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Samuel Mehrbrodt
Hi Jacobo, good to see this being improved. I don't think an option in the Options dialog is the best way to go. Users might not expect it there and think it's a bug that you can't edit SmartArt (because you could before) I have another suggestion: You could disable editing SmartArt by

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Jacobo Aragunde Pérez
El 02/10/13 09:58, Miklos Vajna escribió: On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 01:59:14AM +0300, Andres Gomez ago...@igalia.com wrote: Actually, I've been reading in LibO's Help which is the purpose of the options under Options - Load/Save - MS Office and they seem to be really attached to OLE

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Jacobo Aragunde Pérez
El 02/10/13 08:09, Samuel Mehrbrodt escribió: Hi Jacobo, good to see this being improved. I don't think an option in the Options dialog is the best way to go. Users might not expect it there and think it's a bug that you can't edit SmartArt (because you could before) I have another

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Samuel Mehrbrodt
That might be ok for now, but then the default behavior should be as it is now (SmartArt editable). If we have the not-editable Smart-Art as default, we need an easy way to make it editable. Mirek, what do you think? Am 02.10.2013 11:35, schrieb Jacobo Aragunde Pérez: Everything is possible,

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Mirek M.
On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Samuel Mehrbrodt s.mehrbr...@gmail.comwrote: That might be ok for now, but then the default behavior should be as it is now (SmartArt editable). If we have the not-editable Smart-Art as default, we need an easy way to make it editable. I'd much rather for

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Jacobo, Miklos, Miklos Vajna píše v St 02. 10. 2013 v 14:44 +0200: With the current one, a user can change the shapes but those changes won't be exported back to docx and that's confusing. Indeed. Read the original rationale here:

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Miklos, On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Miklos Vajna vmik...@collabora.co.ukwrote: Hi Jacobo, On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 11:30:31AM +0200, Jacobo Aragunde Pérez jaragu...@igalia.com wrote: In my opinion, the default behaviour should be SmartArt becoming immutable on import. That would

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-02 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi Mirek, Mirek M. píše v St 02. 10. 2013 v 17:01 +0200: The problem is that there's no indication that you lose data with Ungroup. (In general, the only data I would expect to lose by using Ungroup is group-related metadata.) There would be indication, but only ex-post; I hope that is

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-01 Thread Andres Gomez
Hi, On Tue, 2013-10-01 at 17:49 +0200, Jacobo Aragunde Pérez wrote: ... That takes us to the next step: we want to make imported SmartArt immutable, so users are aware that they can change the document but not the shapes. We would like to add a configuration setting to enable or disable this

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-01 Thread Andres Gomez
Hi, On Tue, 2013-10-01 at 17:49 +0200, Jacobo Aragunde Pérez wrote: ... That takes us to the next step: we want to make imported SmartArt immutable, so users are aware that they can change the document but not the shapes. We would like to add a configuration setting to enable or disable this

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Advice on adding Smart-Art related settings

2013-10-01 Thread Andres Gomez
Hi, On Tue, 2013-10-01 at 17:49 +0200, Jacobo Aragunde Pérez wrote: ... That takes us to the next step: we want to make imported SmartArt immutable, so users are aware that they can change the document but not the shapes. We would like to add a configuration setting to enable or disable this