Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-22 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Petr, all, On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 02:44:38PM +0100, Petr Mladek wrote: I agree with Marcus that often it is not easy to say what functionality is affected. Various changes might have many side effects. Still, developers are the ones with the best guess there. I am a bit scared by adding

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-20 Thread Rainer Bielefeld
Hi, now I did the test, Works fine for me with parallel Server installation of LOdev 3.5.2rc0+ [Build ID: ec752de-73cb0b8-f269e46] Win-x86@6-fast pull time 2012-03-19 11:08:23 – WIN7 Home Premium (64bit) Best regards Rainer ___ List Name:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-16 Thread Michael Meeks
On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 21:22 +0100, Petr Mladek wrote: Actually I was talking about SUSE LibreOffice for Windows (which is apparently a one-off unsupported release created for the Intel AppUp store) :) Nah - SUSE will be maintaining that with our stable release. Though of course it

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-16 Thread Rainer Bielefeld
Hi, I do not want to invest too much time into this discussion, because that only hinders me and you all to contribute to the project and to solve the problems. But I strongly disagree with all belittlement of regressions. Although IMHO creation of 3.5.0 has been a good job, it would not be

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-16 Thread Michael Meeks
On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 21:22 +0100, Petr Mladek wrote: Actually I was talking about SUSE LibreOffice for Windows (which is apparently a one-off unsupported release created for the Intel AppUp store) :) Nah - SUSE will be maintaining that with our stable release. Though of course it

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-16 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Rainer Bielefeld wrote: d) No LibO version shows line width in Chart legend correctly because of Bug 31551 Lines in legend not shown with current width, so I have to use OOo 3.1.1 for some needs (inherited problem, 3.3 has the same problem like LibO). But unfortunately OOo 3.1.1 is very

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-16 Thread Rainer Bielefeld
Thorsten Behrens schrieb: Bubli fixed that meanwhile on master - any chance you could test whether Hi, yes, I will do a test soon. Thx for hint Rainer ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-16 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
Hi Rainer, all, On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 07:21:15AM +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: a) Regression Bug 47096 EDITING: Alt + Drag and Drop for complete rows impossible in particular documents frequently forces me to use 3.4.5. I had a short look at this one as a exemplary post-mortem (the bug

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-16 Thread Rainer Bielefeld
Rainer Bielefeld schrieb: yes, I will do a test soon. Hi, I still suffer from Bug 44489 - MinGW: Will not launch, so I will have to wait for the next Master from other source. CU Rainer ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-16 Thread Rainer Bielefeld
Bjoern Michaelsen schrieb: Hi, you wrote some similar ideas I had, but I was doubtful concerning viability. May be we can discuss some suggestions during the next QA call, I will be prepared. If we would have a branch WIN build every week, I would find lots of Bugs (if we have bugs), and

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-16 Thread Markus Mohrhard
Hey all, I did not want to answer nut since you chose mainly my commits here is a short reply. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 07:21:15AM +0100, Rainer Bielefeld wrote: a) Regression Bug 47096 EDITING: Alt + Drag and Drop for complete rows impossible in particular documents frequently forces me to

Re: Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Michael, all I'm looking at another few Windows specific bugs that are of interest. Particularly with the new drmemory tool and Jesus' windows / debug builds - we should be able to progress here quickly. It'd be wonderful if we could get these traces for Windows specific bugs. I'm quite

Re: Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Noel Grandin
On 2012-03-15 14:31, Pedro Lino wrote: As a general conclusion I think we are all doing the best given the limited human resources and the scarcity of our most valuable resource: time! It is because we do CARE about this project that we complain about the short testing times AND the

Re: Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Ivan Timofeev
On 15.03.2012 16:55, Noel Grandin wrote: The problem is that open-source developers cannot be motivated to work 80% on bugs and 20% on features. Perhaps, if you mean the whole team. But note that there are some lunatic guys like me, who are interested in bug-fixing ~completely. ;) Ivan

Re: Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 02:55:30PM +0200, Noel Grandin wrote: The problem is that open-source developers cannot be motivated to work 80% on bugs and 20% on features. I dont think that is correct in absolute. I bet there are people out there too, who like to work on bugfixing. Actually I am

Re: Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Pedro Lino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure I understand the straw-man concept Since that is a common rhetorical tools: A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To attack a

Re: Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Petr Mladek
Pedro Lino píše v Čt 15. 03. 2012 v 12:31 +: But SUSE released version 3.4.2 while TDF is already at 3.5.1. Doesn't that show a little about the importance of stability? ;) We have had 3.4.4 in the LibreOffice:Stable project for a long time. I have just pushed there 3.4.5 which actually

Re: Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Petr, all Please, do not take this that we do not take care about openSUSE/SUSE users. We do a lot of things for them. It is only about my packaging work and about that I underestimated the demand for 3.5. Actually I was talking about SUSE LibreOffice for Windows (which is apparently a

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 05:04:44PM +0400, Ivan Timofeev wrote: Perhaps, if you mean the whole team. But note that there are some lunatic guys like me, who are interested in bug-fixing ~completely. ;) Take a good look at the last slide of:

Re: Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Ivan Timofeev
On 15.03.2012 20:23, Michael Meeks wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 17:04 +0400, Ivan Timofeev wrote: Perhaps, if you mean the whole team. But note that there are some lunatic guys like me, who are interested in bug-fixing ~completely. ;) Yep - you're a star ! :-) *timid smile* not a

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Petr Mladek
Pedro Lino píše v Čt 15. 03. 2012 v 17:40 +: Hi Petr, all Please, do not take this that we do not take care about openSUSE/SUSE users. We do a lot of things for them. It is only about my packaging work and about that I underestimated

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Michael, all I'm looking at another few Windows specific bugs that are of interest. Particularly with the new drmemory tool and Jesus' windows / debug builds - we should be able to progress here quickly. It'd be wonderful if we could get these traces for Windows specific bugs. I'm quite

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Noel Grandin
On 2012-03-15 14:31, Pedro Lino wrote: As a general conclusion I think we are all doing the best given the limited human resources and the scarcity of our most valuable resource: time! It is because we do CARE about this project that we complain about the short testing times AND the

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Michael Meeks
On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 17:04 +0400, Ivan Timofeev wrote: Perhaps, if you mean the whole team. But note that there are some lunatic guys like me, who are interested in bug-fixing ~completely. ;) Yep - you're a star ! :-) Thanks Ivan ! Michael. --

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Petr Mladek
Pedro Lino píše v Čt 15. 03. 2012 v 12:31 +: But SUSE released version 3.4.2 while TDF is already at 3.5.1. Doesn't that show a little about the importance of stability? ;) We have had 3.4.4 in the LibreOffice:Stable project for a long time. I have just pushed there 3.4.5 which actually

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi Petr, all Please, do not take this that we do not take care about openSUSE/SUSE users. We do a lot of things for them. It is only about my packaging work and about that I underestimated the demand for 3.5. Actually I was talking about SUSE LibreOffice for Windows (which is apparently a

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 05:04:44PM +0400, Ivan Timofeev wrote: Perhaps, if you mean the whole team. But note that there are some lunatic guys like me, who are interested in bug-fixing ~completely. ;) Take a good look at the last slide of:

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Ivan Timofeev
On 15.03.2012 20:23, Michael Meeks wrote: On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 17:04 +0400, Ivan Timofeev wrote: Perhaps, if you mean the whole team. But note that there are some lunatic guys like me, who are interested in bug-fixing ~completely. ;) Yep - you're a star ! :-) *timid smile* not a

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Regressions in Open Source projects ...

2012-03-15 Thread Petr Mladek
Pedro Lino píše v Čt 15. 03. 2012 v 17:40 +: Hi Petr, all Please, do not take this that we do not take care about openSUSE/SUSE users. We do a lot of things for them. It is only about my packaging work and about that I underestimated