Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-documentation] Could Anyone Put a Netbook to Use
Hi :) I would love one but i think Hazel, Jean, Peter and many others in here deserve them a LOT more than me! Regards from Tom :) On 6 March 2015 at 15:14, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, We have two netbooks (Windows 8 but you could probably dual boot with Linux) that were bought for QA that are currently not being used. Just curious if anyone could put these to use. Preferably they would stick with QA but if someone outside of QA could use them, I'll talk to Florian to see what we can do. Note that one of them has a German keyboard layout. Email me directly if you could put it to use - let me know what you would use it for, and how much use you would put it to :) I just hate to see machines sitting around not being put to use. Best, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: documentation+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-website] [LibreOffice Bugzilla Migration] We're done! Please visit the new site to reset your password!
Hi :) A big +1 from me! I guess there might be teething problems but hopefully we can all be patient with those and just enjoy the advantages of the new system more and more :) Many thanks and regards from Tom :) On 25 January 2015 at 09:22, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Robinson Tryon wrote on 2015-01-24 at 21:50: The migration was a great success. All of our bugs are now happily living at https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/ thanks a lot to everyone involved, especially Robinson, Cloph and Alex - great work, and happy to finally have BugZilla in our own infrastructure! Thanks for the extra work during the weekend, you rock! ;-) Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] where do the canonical translations live, git or pootle
Hi :) That is an extremely good question. Even if this thread doesn't result in anything else i hope that more people in the LibreOffice community DO ask the L10n team for their thoughts on issues like either of the 2 main questions Caolan is asking. I think even just that would be a huge step forwards and it is very much appreciated. :)) Thanks Caolan! :) Sorry i don't have an answer to the actual questions though! :( Apols and regards from Tom :) On 29 January 2015 at 14:10, Caolán McNamara caol...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2015-01-28 at 10:20 +0100, Stephan Bergmann wrote: On 01/19/2015 11:03 AM, Sophie wrote: - if there is a way to script changes, script them otherwise wait until there is a script available to commit them I am not sure I understand you here (to me, the otherwise part reads: if there is no way to script changes, wait until there is a script available, which would not make sense). When talking about (developer-side) scripting, is it actually OK to commit modifications to the translations in the translations git sub-repo? My understanding was that such modifications would be overwritten by the next import commit (as typically done by Andras, AFAIU from some Pootle database). This has always been a clear as mud to me as to what the *current* translation workflow is and how as a developer I can fix a translation. e.g. in the past changing the Letter size translation in Spanish to Oficio instead of the literal translation was a pain. And right now I want to fix a gadzillion Indic translations short-cuts to ascii chars and not characters that only available via IM. What I want to do is to commit to the translations git repo and forget about it. Does that work ? C. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: [libreoffice-website] [LibreOffice Bugzilla Migration] We're done! Please visit the new site to reset your password!
Hi :) A big +1 from me! I guess there might be teething problems but hopefully we can all be patient with those and just enjoy the advantages of the new system more and more :) Many thanks and regards from Tom :) On 25 January 2015 at 09:22, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, Robinson Tryon wrote on 2015-01-24 at 21:50: The migration was a great success. All of our bugs are now happily living at https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/ thanks a lot to everyone involved, especially Robinson, Cloph and Alex - great work, and happy to finally have BugZilla in our own infrastructure! Thanks for the extra work during the weekend, you rock! ;-) Florian -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Workflow between dev, UX and l10n teams
Hi :) Yeh i think Sophie did such a brilliant job of summarising all the points that no-one had anything to argue against. My main concern was about automating the bits that could be automated in some sensible way - preferably some way that each language could select to opt into or out of. In wiki-editing people are encouraged to write a summary, like a subject-line in an email, for changes beyond just a couple of characters. Something like that might help with the automation. I really liked the point about having some way of identifying trivial but frequent changes and minor grammer corrections that most translators will already have dealt with in order to make sense in their own language(s). There was a lot of other interesting things in Sophie's post but i just agree with all of them and that makes it difficult to discuss ;( It seems like just about everyone here feels the same way. Regards from Tom :) On 26 January 2015 at 09:32, Sveinn í Felli s...@fellsnet.is wrote: Þann mán 26.jan 2015 09:25, skrifaði Mihovil Stanić: Not sure what can we add here? You summed it up nicely in those 3 points. As far as I'm concerned, en_us can be changed/improved as much as anyone wants... only if they provide script for automatic update for all other affected languages. New strings - OK Edited strings with changed meaning, fixed typos - OK Cosmetic changes (~ to _ or Status to Status: or ... to … or those different quote styles I don't even have on my keyboard) and anything similliar - NOT OK if you don't script it for all languages Cosmetic changes (Big brown fox - Big Brown Fox) - NOT OK at all, change just for en_us, don't change my strings and don't even notify me you did it in en_us May I add here: XML/HTML entities and such (a href... to link) - NOT OK, scripted for all languages (if possible) Sveinn í Felli Mihovil 26.01.2015 u 09:33, Sophie je napisao/la: To conclude, what l10n team would like to see is: - a review process of the strings before they are committed and make sure they respect the en_US standards (capitals, grammar, punctuation, typography). Maybe adding the Gnome HIG book to our pages [like 2] if not already. - if there is a way to script changes, script them otherwise wait until there is a script available to commit them - any time there are heavy changes that pop up in someone's mind (like changing ... for …) discuss it with the l10n team before committing those changes. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: Workflow between dev, UX and l10n teams
Hi :) Yes that suggestion was put forwards in the previous thread and i still think it is an excellent idea - or at least has a lot of merit. I seem to remember there were excellent reasons why it might be unworkable but i'm not sure if they really are total blockers. Regards from Tom :) On 26 January 2015 at 10:52, Jesper Hertel jesper.her...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Sophie and everybody else, Well I didn't answer as I didn't feel like finding out what the projects@ list was and joining that list to be able to join the discussion there. I will answer here. I did not read the whole previous discussion but did anyone suggest to add a new en-us translation language in Pootle and let that be the place where all non-semantic changes to the en-us strings happen? That way the current strings in the source code will turn into mere translation keys written in en-us. The final en-us polishing will then happen in the translation files just like any other language and will of course not affect any of the other languages. Any semantic change should of course still happen in the keys, i.e. the source code, but non-semantic changes should be prohibited there and instead made in the en-us translation in Pootle. This might be something obvious that you already talked a lot about, but I just want to make sure this option isn't overlooked. Jesper Den 26/01/2015 09.34 skrev Sophie gautier.sop...@gmail.com: Hi, Resending as there was no answer to the proposals :) Cheers Sophie Le 19/01/2015 11:03, Sophie a écrit : Hi all, [Please follow-up the discussion on projects@ list to keep the history of the thread there and ease the discussion, thanks :-)] I would like to open a discussion about the way developers team, UX team and l10n team should interact and work together. There has been a heavy discussion [see this thread 1] during this round of translation. The l10n team was a bit frustrated that there were again so many changes in the en_US version that does not concern the l10n versions (like adding colon at the end or capitals in the middle of the strings). Each time, it seems part of this could be automated or a reflection on how to avoid messing the l10n work should have been introduced before those changes are committed. For example, if I decide to change FR localization to have sentence capitalization in the menu entries, none of the 100 other localizations won't and shouldn't be affected. It should be the same for en_US version or if really impossible, try to find a solution that lower the impact on all localizations. None of the l10n teams is against changing or correcting the UI of the en_US version and none is against the natural evolution of the suite. What is not bearable is when you have 100 000 changes in en_US and only a 1/3 concerns all the other languages and it is repeated over the branches. We are trying to change our workflow to work on master instead of branches. That will allow us to review the strings earlier (to leverage heavy unneeded changes if possible) and have more time to localize. But that will work only if each taking part of the changes take care of the others. To conclude, what l10n team would like to see is: - a review process of the strings before they are committed and make sure they respect the en_US standards (capitals, grammar, punctuation, typography). Maybe adding the Gnome HIG book to our pages [like 2] if not already. - if there is a way to script changes, script them otherwise wait until there is a script available to commit them - any time there are heavy changes that pop up in someone's mind (like changing ... for …) discuss it with the l10n team before committing those changes. I know it may lower the enthusiasm of some contributors, but it will regain the one of our l10n teams for sure :) [1] http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-l10n-Workflow-based-on-master-tt4131453.html#a4132459 [2] https://developer.gnome.org/hig-book/3.12/design-text-labels.html.en Cheers Sophie -- Sophie Gautier sophie.gaut...@documentfoundation.org Tel:+33683901545 Co-founder - Release coordinator The Document Foundation -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice Weekly News #5 waiting for reviews
Hi :) It is a wiki-page. It's actually faster and easier for people to do the edits themselves. If you can post an email then you can edit a wiki-page. Doing the wiki-markup is a little trickier but just editing is like editing text in almost any very simple text-editor. While so many people are picking such tiny detail to correct i would like to congratulate William Gathoye on doing such an amazing job. It must be exhausting to go through so many hundreds of emails, and collect the information from so many other sources at the same time. Proof-reading, if thought necessary, should really be done by a 2nd person, as it is done in documentation and translation teams. Personally i think it is fine as it is; 1. errors are fairly rare and very minor 2. it shows the international nature of the project and looks friendlier 3. it shows the that a vast quantity of information is sifted through in order to get the result. Note that other such things tend to have quite a few people collaborating or sending in articles and only appear monthly or quarterly or even less often. So, top marks to William Gathoye for doing such a fantastic job!! :))) Regards from Tom :) On 13 September 2014 11:42, Nino Novak nn.l...@kflog.org wrote: Am 13.09.2014 um 03:25 schrieb William Gathoye: I've just finished to write the fifth edition of LOWN. [1] Very nice work, thanks :) The latter is waiting for your reviews. just one observation: citation numbers in the text go up to 58, but the last reference on the page bottom is 50, so a couple of refs seem missing Nino [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LOWN/5#Wanted:_team_coordinator_dead_or_alive_.28preferably_alive.29 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LIbreOffice 4.2.5 RC2 available
Hi :) 4.2.3 was far enough along the 4.2.x branch to be called stable by most people. Many of us wait until the x.x.4, so in this branch's case it was the 4.2.4. The 4.2.5 is likely to be rock solid. Actually many people even find the very first release in a branch to be plenty stable enough for them and that first release is the best one to use if you want to grab attention for a specific bug, such as a long-running issue that doesn't seem to bother anyone else. I think Jay is right, they probably wont call the 4.2.x branch stable until there is a newer branch that they can call fresh but i think that even the most conservative of us have considered the 4.2.x branch to be stable for quite some time now. Regards from Tom :) On 21 June 2014 10:56, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Tommy, I assume 4.2 cant become stable until 4.3 becomes fresh. :) Regards, Jay Philips On 06/21/2014 11:32 AM, Tommy wrote: On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 23:12:51 +0200, Christian Lohmaier lohma...@googlemail.com wrote: Dear Community, The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the second release candidate of LibreOffice 4.2.5. The upcoming 4.2.5 will be the fifth in a sequence of frequent bugfix releases for our feature-packed 4.2 line. Feel free to give it a try instead of 4.2.4. ... hi, I see this on the TDF blog: http://blog.documentfoundation.org/ June 20, 2014 LibreOffice 4.2.5 hits the marketplace Filed under: Announcements, LibreOffice — italovignoli @ 11:25 Berlin, June 20, 2014 – The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 4.2.5 “Fresh”, the fifth minor release of the most feature rich version of the software, ready for enterprise deployments. For more conservative users, The Document Foundation suggests LibreOffice 4.1.6 “Stable”. etc. etc. I thought that the 4.2.5 would be considered the new stable release while I see the 4.1.6 is still considered stable and 4.2.5 is still the fresh one will 4.2.6 be finally considered stable ? correct me if I'm wrong but the 4.1.x branch started being labeled as stable from .5 release, while 4.2.x still is in the fresh category ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [ANN] LIbreOffice 4.2.5 RC2 available
Hi :) Sorry, i thought this was only going to the Users Support mailing list. It's the type of question that gets asked quite a lot there. Apols and regards from Tom :) On 21 June 2014 22:29, Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi :) 4.2.3 was far enough along the 4.2.x branch to be called stable by most people. Many of us wait until the x.x.4, so in this branch's case it was the 4.2.4. The 4.2.5 is likely to be rock solid. Actually many people even find the very first release in a branch to be plenty stable enough for them and that first release is the best one to use if you want to grab attention for a specific bug, such as a long-running issue that doesn't seem to bother anyone else. I think Jay is right, they probably wont call the 4.2.x branch stable until there is a newer branch that they can call fresh but i think that even the most conservative of us have considered the 4.2.x branch to be stable for quite some time now. Regards from Tom :) On 21 June 2014 10:56, Jay Philips philip...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Tommy, I assume 4.2 cant become stable until 4.3 becomes fresh. :) Regards, Jay Philips On 06/21/2014 11:32 AM, Tommy wrote: On Sat, 14 Jun 2014 23:12:51 +0200, Christian Lohmaier lohma...@googlemail.com wrote: Dear Community, The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the second release candidate of LibreOffice 4.2.5. The upcoming 4.2.5 will be the fifth in a sequence of frequent bugfix releases for our feature-packed 4.2 line. Feel free to give it a try instead of 4.2.4. ... hi, I see this on the TDF blog: http://blog.documentfoundation.org/ June 20, 2014 LibreOffice 4.2.5 hits the marketplace Filed under: Announcements, LibreOffice — italovignoli @ 11:25 Berlin, June 20, 2014 – The Document Foundation announces LibreOffice 4.2.5 “Fresh”, the fifth minor release of the most feature rich version of the software, ready for enterprise deployments. For more conservative users, The Document Foundation suggests LibreOffice 4.1.6 “Stable”. etc. etc. I thought that the 4.2.5 would be considered the new stable release while I see the 4.1.6 is still considered stable and 4.2.5 is still the fresh one will 4.2.6 be finally considered stable ? correct me if I'm wrong but the 4.1.x branch started being labeled as stable from .5 release, while 4.2.x still is in the fresh category ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [libreoffice-users] Playing Video in a Dialog
Hi :) I am guessing that you have already posted to the devs mailing list or irc channel? Also to the French mailing list? If not then it's worth trying. It seems a bit weird they have gone for a proprietary, undocumented player instead of gnash, swfplayer, totem, Vlc or some other OpenSource alternative. There probably is a reason. If it's purely down to trying to use something that you can be certain people already have on their system then Vlc might be worth a try because that is quite popular too. (plus you can always give a link for people to downnload and install an OpenSource alternative anyway (as people do for pdfs)) Regards from Tom :) On 17 April 2014 10:23, Fernand Vanrie s...@pmgroup.be wrote: On The French user site i found usefull code to play video on Windows using the API and Basic. The code opens a MediaWindow and play any video The player has a undocumented method CreatePlayerWindow who needs arguments (a empty array do crash LO) Do someone knows how to use this method and how Video can been played in a Dialog ? Thanks for any hints Global video Global oPlayer Global Player_flag, Video_flag, Time ' -- Sub VideoPlayer If Video_flag = 0 Then video =converttoURL(C:\Users\PMG\Videos\Untitled.avi) ' La vidéo à charger Video_flag = 1 'for windows: oManager = CreateUnoService(com.sun.star.media.Manager_DirectX) ' for Linux ' oManager = CreateUnoService(com.sun. star.media.Manager_GStreamer) End Select oPlayer = oManager.createPlayer( video ) ' oPlayer.CreatePlayerwindow(array()) ' do crash LO oPlayer.start() ' Lecture Player_flag = 1 Else oPlayer.start() ' Lecture Player_flag = 1 End If End Sub ' -- Sub VideoPlayer_pause If Player_flag = 1 Then oPlayer.stop() ' Pause Player_flag = 0 Time = oPlayer.getmediatime() End If End Sub ' -- Sub VideoPlayer_avance_rapide If Player_flag = 0 Then oPlayer.setmediatime(Time +1) ' Avance_rapide Time = oPlayer.getmediatime() End If End Sub ' -- Sub VideoPlayer_recul_rapide If Player_flag = 0 Then oPlayer.setmediatime(Time -1) ' Recul_rapide Time = oPlayer.getmediatime() End If End Sub ' -- Sub VideoPlayer_stop oPlayer.stop() ' Pause 'Video_flag = 1 Time = 0 oPlayer.setmediatime(Time) End Sub -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to- unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: l10n process, en_US version, Help files
Hi :) I am fairly sure the Documentation Team is NOT up to doing this but perhaps with a little help they might be? They wont be able to do any of the coding, however easy it is, but the skeleton help-page sounds like something they might be really good at. They recently got into doing the wiki-Faq so they might be less scared of working around coding tags and such nowadays. Would it be a good idea to give them a proposal of what might be required? Regards from Tom :) On 18 December 2013 10:19, Caolán McNamara caol...@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 2013-12-11 at 17:19 +0100, Sophie wrote: Hi all, This mail is posted to the dev list and the l10n list, please follow up on the l10n list. I would like to open a discussion on the l10n workflow, the quality of the en_US version and the Help files. All is linked and I would like to discuss how we can improve the process here. I'm sure that having a better understanding between the l10n process and the dev process should help us to improve things :) So here is a proposal, it's a bit long, sorry for that. *Before updating Pootle: - it's important for l10n team to know the approx load of work that will be needed to achieve the whole work. Time between beta1 and rc1 is short and that will help to better organize this time between translation and proof reading. - depending also on the type of changes, we could use different tools to optimize the work. *When the l10n start: - we need a continuous communication and a planing of the updates made in Pootle, those translating off line are always frightened to lose something in the run. - it's exhausting when you think you are over and to see a new bunch of words coming. Knowing it in advance help to manage the time too *After RC1 and l10n integration - we need to know when integration is made after our fixes, there is currently no communication on this == for these three items, I have asked today to Andras and Christian how we can put that in place and where I can help them to do so, knowing also that Christian is managing this part almost alone now. *About the en_US overall quality - the process to rely on the l10n team to fix the en_US version is ok, even if it gives us extra work to understand what is meant before we realized it's a mistake. So it's also error prone for all the translations. - but that doesn't solve the several typos that already exist and that are overlooked by the l10n team (e.g in the Character Font Effect dialog, there is Overline _c_olor and Underline _C_olor and this is the same for several dialogs) - that doesn't solve also the lack of universal vocabulary used in several dialogs (e.g Tab/Pane/Panel/Deck to name the same object or Graphic/Picture/Image). I've nothing to propose here but to define a glossary where developers could pick the good word but I'm not sure it will be used * About the help files - I always wonder why there is a Help button on a new dialog when no help file is appended ;) One thing that we could with the new .ui file format is to confirm if each dialog actually has a help entry for it. There is an easy hack at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67350 to extract out the new-format helpids from the help and determine if they actually exist. That would weed out typos where the help gets detached from the thing it documents. Similarly someone could script if each new-format dialog has a help entry and make a list of stuff that is missing help and turn those into a list of tasks to document those things. Another thing that could be automated is to generate a skeleton help page from a new-format dialog. i.e. generate the help ids bookmarks for the interactive widgets, buttons, checkboxes, etc. and have fill-me-in headings and bodytext. C. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-users] Updating Whiteboard/Keyword Wiki - Need Input
Hi :) I think make a sub-page called something like Further Details or Advanced or FAQ-QA or something like that and then take all that valuable work and dump it in their instead. Then people getting to the front page get the simple approach that assumes everything goes smoothly and can click through to the advanced help if they need it. Regards from Tom :) On 23 October 2013 02:46, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I'm going to be updating the wiki for whiteboard and keyword to make it more legible. There has been talk about taking a minimilistic approach to the wiki, less formal, less rules (although we don't have rules, just guidelines), this vs. the comprehensive, answers any question someone might have approach. My question is, which is preferred? Should I strip the wiki to the minimum with very basic info or include the details needed where someone could technically use the wiki without additional input in a relatively cohesive way? Thanks all, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscribe@global.**libreoffice.orgusers%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [libreoffice-users] Updating Whiteboard/Keyword Wiki - Need Input
Hi :) I think make a sub-page called something like Further Details or Advanced or FAQ-QA or something like that and then take all that valuable work and dump it in their instead. Then people getting to the front page get the simple approach that assumes everything goes smoothly and can click through to the advanced help if they need it. Regards from Tom :) On 23 October 2013 02:46, Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I'm going to be updating the wiki for whiteboard and keyword to make it more legible. There has been talk about taking a minimilistic approach to the wiki, less formal, less rules (although we don't have rules, just guidelines), this vs. the comprehensive, answers any question someone might have approach. My question is, which is preferred? Should I strip the wiki to the minimum with very basic info or include the details needed where someone could technically use the wiki without additional input in a relatively cohesive way? Thanks all, Joel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscribe@global.**libreoffice.orgusers%2bunsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/**get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-** unsubscribe/http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/** Netiquette http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.**libreoffice.org/global/users/http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 4.0.5 RC2 available
Hi :) Ubuntu users can use the same resources as everyone else to get the full range of localisations. Their PPA's are an additional resource but Ubuntu Users (such as me) could go to the main LibreOffice website (as i do) to get all the latest stuff. I think there are even instructions somewhere although when i just had a quick look they weren't as obvious as i had hoped. Apparently most instructions still sy to install the desktop integration packages afterwards but those have now been cleverly pulled into the main install so you don't have to do that 2nd part anymore. It's just the help packages to get the in-built help and maybe the appropriate language pack. So, don't worry too much about the PPAs but if reasonably possible please get them to signpost people to the official LibreOffice website. Regards from Tom :) From: Mihkel Tõnnov mihh...@gmail.com To: LibreOffice libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org; libreoffice-l10n l...@global.libreoffice.org; proje...@global.libreoffice.org; libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org; bjoern.michael...@canonical.com Sent: Friday, 23 August 2013, 12:49 Subject: [libreoffice-l10n] Re: [libreoffice-projects] Re: [ANN] LibreOffice 4.0.5 RC2 available 2013/8/23 bjoern bjoern.michael...@canonical.com On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 05:02:01PM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA builds download page at http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ and users of Ubuntu 13.04 (raring) find a build in the LibreOffice 4.0 ppa at: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-4-0?field.series_filter=raring Hi all, Is there any reason why these PPAs only contain localisations into a select few locales? Best regards, Mihkel -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: l10n+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/l10n/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Google; OOXML and ODF support wrt XSLX import/export filter funding
Hi :) Moving away from MS formats seems a pretty smart move around now. There are so many different versions of XlsX (2007's version, 2010's and now presumably 2013's). I thought Keith's post was interesting because it seems people have spent some serious money just to find out what we already felt was the case. I think Google still are a supporter of TDF but seem to have lost their way a bit. Regards from Tom :) From: Keith Curtis keit...@gmail.com To: Zeki Bildirici z...@ozgurlukicin.com Cc: market...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013, 22:50 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Google and ODF support! That is amazing. Google wrote this in their analysis of OpenXML: (https://forums.scc.ca/forums/scc/dispatch.cgi/public/showFile/100294/d20070705225348/No/objections%20by%20Google.pdf) - Although OOXML may formally comply with Ecma, it was clearly not designed with an “open” spirit. Comparing the current with the future situation, interoperability is likely to become more difficult instead of easier. The implementation of a fully compatible ODF importer (the current efforts regarding .doc and .xls) is not an easy task, but it is dwarfed by the implementation of a fully compatible OOXML importer, which we estimate to take something between 50 – 500 person years, or even longer. Therefore, although it is theoretically possible to generate an OOXML document, this document will probably only use a very small subset of the standard. In sum, OOXML can be compared to Microsoft giving access to a labyrinth to which it alone owns a map; moreover, certain tunnels within this labyrinth are not accessible without a key that only Microsoft has, and that third parties would need to replicate first. (And, in doing so, these third parties would not know whether they would violate any rights that exposes them to litigation). - It is sort of sad Google would reverse course and act against their own interests. Also, I wonder why they didn't help to port LibreOffice rather than buying QuickOffice. The current Android efforts in LibreOffice are less than one person I believe. Imagine what Google could have done with 5-10, let alone buying the proprietary QuickOffice which employed 400 people. (http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2018361838_apustecgoogleofficeapps1stldwritethru.html) I suspect part of their decision was that they didn't want to take a risk on LibreOffice, but it does seem they have too much money. -Keith On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Zeki Bildirici z...@ozgurlukicin.com wrote: Hi, As you know Google currently is not supporting Open Document Format native in its services. Today i saw this article http://www.muktware.com/4529/why-google-killing-open-document-formats#.UTYr7U44lHE.twitter and remembered this issue. This article explains the situation quite well. I don't know the reason why Google does not support ODF, maybe it was discussed here before. But i think we may try to push Google to support ODF. I don't think there is a reasonable explanation for ignoring ODF and supporting MS Office formats and forcing people to convert their ODF to Google Docs format. Btw for comparasion, -yes not Skydrive of course- Yandex company with growing popularity in Turkey and Russia supports ODF in its Disk service. It may be an example for good aproach to ODF. What do you think about Google's positioning for ODF? Can we manage to force/attract Google to support ODF? I've mentioned and asked htps://twitter.com/cdibona about this matter but no replies yet Best regards, Zeki - http://support.google.com/drive/bin/answer.py?hl=enanswer=2423485 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] introduction
Hi :) If you are not sure if someone is subscribed to a list you can always include them in the CC or To fields to make sure they do get the message so i have put Jonathan in the To field so he gets to see the thread so far. I also found this quote from the Users List From: Samuel Mehrbrodt s.mehrbr...@gmail.com To: us...@global.libreoffice.org Hi, Do you have a favorite bug you want to get solved, but cannot do it yourself? You would even pay some money, but cannot contract a Company for this? Here's a simple way how to do this, thanks to www.freedomsponsors.org http://www.freedomsponsors.org 1. Login on www.freedomsponsors.org http://www.freedomsponsors.org 2. Copy the URL from Bugzilla and Sponsor it in FreedomSponsors! 3. Enter the amount you are willing to pay and publish the Issue 4. You'll get notified when someone solves the bug so you can pay him Your advantage is, that you have to pay only when the Issue has been resolved, so there is no risk with that. Payments are done via Paypal. Others can join and add their offer to the bug. Here http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/?s=project_id=149project_name=LibreOffice are some existing LibreOffice Issues, if you want to support them. All the best, Samuel (thanks to Hylton) I'm not sure if it helps but it might be a good route. Is it time-effective to fix bugs with the current java-based system when the rest of the project is moving away from Java on the grounds that Java keeps breaking down or having serious problems? Is it possible to use funding to kick-start a re-write in Python or C++ or something? Is there funding? Regards from Tom :) From: Caolán McNamara caol...@redhat.com To: Sophie Gautier gautier.sop...@gmail.com Cc: accessibil...@global.libreoffice.org; libreoffice LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Friday, 22 February 2013, 11:27 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] introduction On Fri, 2013-02-22 at 09:29 +0100, Sophie Gautier wrote: Hi Jonathan, Thanks a lot for your proposal. I'm sending your mail to the developers list so we are sure they are aware of it. Kind regards Sophie On 21/02/2013 23:33, Jonathan Nadeau wrote: Hello list, My name is Jonathan Nadeau and I'm the executive director of the Accessible Computing Foundation located here http://www.accessiblecomputingfoundation.org I'm looking to fund some developers to fix some accessibility bugs with Libreoffice and the Orca screen reader. Nadeau isn't cc'ed on Sophie's original email and I don't know if he's subscribed to any of these email lists, but I think it's worth mentioning that the work in progress of moving our dialogs to the gtk builder file format now makes it super super easy to: a) set that a label is the right mnemonic widget for something else, which sets up the default a11y label for, label by relationships between them b) add a11y descriptions, a11y names, explicit label-for, label-by and member-of etc relations I'm not particularly a11y experienced, but I fired up orca a few weeks ago and tweaked our a11y support a bit until it read out the format-title page dialog the same way as it would read it if it was a native gtk dialog. Obviously there's a lot more a11y-wise to just our dialogs, but at least for those new-format dialogs anyone with experience in tweaking gtk a11y issues via glade can directly apply that experience to our new dialogs. C. ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-users] [LibreOffice-QA] CANCELED - Conference Call - February 8th, 2013
Hi :) I think you have all earned a break! Good work all! Regards from Tom :) From: Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com To: us...@global.libreoffice.org us...@global.libreoffice.org; libreoffice-dev libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org; Libreoffice-qa libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013, 19:31 Subject: [libreoffice-users] [LibreOffice-QA] CANCELED - Conference Call - February 8th, 2013 Hi All, It seems like many of the QA team are unavailable for tomorrow's meeting which makes discussion much harder. If there is no objection (within the next few hours) the call tomorrow (February 8th) has been CANCELED in order to ensure that we have our full QA team handling the agenda. We will plan on having our next call at the regular scheduled day: February 22nd, 2013 @ 1400 UTC Assume that the call is CANCELED unless I send out another email :-D Best Regards, Joel -- *Joel Madero* LibreOffice QA Volunteer jmadero@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Latest Hardware and OS
Hi :) No. At least i think the answer to that is no I think how many might is a moving target. At the moment those devices are probably not seen as good things to use to edit documents. Pi is more about learning programming and building bits of hardware. Android is more about just catching little snippets of information and looking up odd things before arriving at home or at the office. If you planned to work on documents on-the-move then you would probably use something larger than a netbook. LO could change all that. With a docking station http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docking_station hand-held, mobile and just tiny devices could really start to take-over from desktops for certain usages. Also while on-the-move LO provides more options and more easily for minimising the UI so that screen's real estate could show more of a document while still having a useful menu or customised tool-bar. It'd be interesting to see if Android started becoming even more popular because it becomes an office in your pocket due to LO. Of course desktops still have a greater capacity to be more powerful, greater local storage and easier to tinker with, fix and upgrade but people are all excited about moving to mobile devices. LO has an opportunity to be ahead of the game a bit. especially with all the good work that has gone into stream-lining the program over the last couple of years. Regards from Tom :) From: Rainer Bielefeld libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de To: libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de Cc: libreoffice...@lists.freedesktop.org; market...@global.libreoffice.org; LibreOffice libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Monday, 24 December 2012, 7:03 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Latest Hardware and OS Hi, I agree with the arguments here. My conclusion: if there is a relevant Number of early adopters, who might find the Feedback item in Help menu, we should have something in BSA finding the appropriate Hardware-OS combination (may be with additional hint in comment). This combination(s) also should be mentioned on https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details. My question: do we know how many users might use LibO on Android / Raspberry Pi? CU Rainer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-marketing] Latest Hardware and OS
Hi :) No. At least i think the answer to that is no I think how many might is a moving target. At the moment those devices are probably not seen as good things to use to edit documents. Pi is more about learning programming and building bits of hardware. Android is more about just catching little snippets of information and looking up odd things before arriving at home or at the office. If you planned to work on documents on-the-move then you would probably use something larger than a netbook. LO could change all that. With a docking station http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docking_station hand-held, mobile and just tiny devices could really start to take-over from desktops for certain usages. Also while on-the-move LO provides more options and more easily for minimising the UI so that screen's real estate could show more of a document while still having a useful menu or customised tool-bar. It'd be interesting to see if Android started becoming even more popular because it becomes an office in your pocket due to LO. Of course desktops still have a greater capacity to be more powerful, greater local storage and easier to tinker with, fix and upgrade but people are all excited about moving to mobile devices. LO has an opportunity to be ahead of the game a bit. especially with all the good work that has gone into stream-lining the program over the last couple of years. Regards from Tom :) From: Rainer Bielefeld libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de To: libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de Cc: libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org; market...@global.libreoffice.org; LibreOffice libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Monday, 24 December 2012, 7:03 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Latest Hardware and OS Hi, I agree with the arguments here. My conclusion: if there is a relevant Number of early adopters, who might find the Feedback item in Help menu, we should have something in BSA finding the appropriate Hardware-OS combination (may be with additional hint in comment). This combination(s) also should be mentioned on https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details. My question: do we know how many users might use LibO on Android / Raspberry Pi? CU Rainer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
[Libreoffice-qa] Cloud-space? Re: [libreoffice-users] Use of MD5 and other HASH values of LibO package downloads and alternate distribution DVD uploads
Hi :) The workflow for the NA DVD Project involves 1. downloading the installer files from the LO or TDF servers 2. bundling it with some documentation, Extensions and 3rd party programs 3. re-uploading the resulting .iso through a domestic line that takes somewhere between 4-8hours (assuming it goes smoothly and the line doesn't drop-out). The 'broadband' line is in a building that is of an age that prohibits upgrading the line. A few people looked into 3rd party Cloud space to store and work on the files but the options seemed inflexible and quite expensive. The amount of space required only occasionally tips over the amount the team could get for free without using fairly dubious 3rd party space. A lot of the space is for files that already exist on TDF and LO servers. Also the team wasn't completely confident about how much to trust or how to use any strange tools available on 3rd party Cloud-space. There must be some easier way of doing this without having to learn tons of advanced new stuff! Regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: us...@global.libreoffice.org; libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Sunday, 21 October 2012, 19:33 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Use of MD5 and other HASH values of LibO package downloads and alternate distribution DVD uploads Tim, We applaud the work you've been doing on the English-NA-DVD, but since you've taken on that responsibility its cradle to grave handling also requires that you validate receipt of the initial ISO image upload to the Document Foundation Mirrors. TDF will take your upload of bundled components and post it exactly as they receive it. Followed by TDF implemented MirrorBrain metadata service that calculates the initial HASH values (MD5, SHA-1, SHA-256 and BitTorrent) and publishes the details for use on the download mirrors. Point is, they won't normally test that they have a good upload from your build system--that responsibility is yours. And to add to your effort, to be technically correct you should probably verify the HASH value of each component installer you download for use in the compilation--found most conveniently at the http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/ where you probably want the stable/ tree (and can check on your box/ DVD distro). Navigate down into the build you are compiling and the OS. On the page listing the language specific installers each file will have a corresponding MirriorBrain provisioned link labeled Details that has full metadata of just that file including the HASH values. Check each package you will bundle against those values so you know you have a clean download. You probably don't want to be responsible for distributing a corrupt install package that was incompletely downloaded as you build the DVD. Then, once compiled into your English-NA-DVD .iso image, you need to calculate a HASH value of the ISO being uploaded. You need this to compare what you send against what the transfer server receives. After upload, or probably once published to the TDF mirror, compare the HASH value(s) the MirrorBrain published metadata. When uploading or downloading I generally will calculate and compare against the first few digits of MD5 and SHA256 HASH values As an example, since you are on a Linux, you have the terminal window command line use of these commands: md5sum LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso sha1sum LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso sha256sum LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso Folks on Windows don't have a Microsoft provided digest tool--command line or GUI. But there are many to be found. Because of the range of digest HASH types I have to deal with I prefer a digest tool integrated with the Windows shell and widely use the freeware Hash CRC tool published in the fileTweak utilizes of Febooti. Available here: http://www.febooti.com/downloads/ Installed as administrator, it then gives ALL users the ability to calculate HASH values from the Properties panel (i.e. right mouse) of any file viewable in Windows explorer shell GUI. If you'd like to compare for real, here are the HASH values for the last ISO build you posted as available at: http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/box/3.5.6/LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso.mirrorlist LO-3.5.6_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras_v2.iso Powered by MirrorBrain Size: 3.8G (4044062720 bytes) Last modified: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 03:58:15 GMT (Unix time: 1345607895) SHA-256 Hash: 55d62394196ab920d99ec99480d515672d738a152c26c92177500cd3113c8fa7 SHA-1 Hash: 8560042169d28f30053f91aae5523fbac049234b MD5 Hash: 96560a0b6c117a07d32d33baa1e2ef30 BitTorrent Information Hash: 9ea3cc57031a78cb5af214a041637a5ff2f30648 Hope that is clear enough
Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date
Hi :) +1 A huge +1 really. Just +1 doesn't really get close! Definitely impressive work from Stuart there! Above and beyond gets closer. I tried voting but found that really unclear, and i have been editing wiki's for a while now. I was able to add a comment in support but i'm not sure if it's the type of thing they are looking for. Stuart also gave links to the relevant bug-reports and i have a feeling it might be easier to post comments there but only if they help the devs get closer to fixing the problems, such as version number of LO you are using and which OS (Windows Xp, Ubuntu or whatever) I think the wiki wanted more conversational type comments but i wasn't sure what i should say. Regards from Tom :) --- On Mon, 15/10/12, Kevin Cussick the.big.white.sheph...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Kevin Cussick the.big.white.sheph...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Reality Check - Windows Java Accessibility API non-functional for ALL LibreOffice 3.6.x releases to date To: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu Cc: accessibil...@global.libreoffice.org, libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org, us...@glogal.libreoffice.org Date: Monday, 15 October, 2012, 20:04 Hello, No apology needed Stuart. You have done more than most and i would like to take this opportunity to thank you on list. I knew the LO was not right but I now am pleased that someone from LO is now agreeing with me. Anyway. moving on, I will take a look at the link to vote on the ticket to get accessibleIa2 added into the code for LO. Let me once again thank you for all your effort and hard work on this. OK we don't have the result we would like but now we know we can maybe try and get a fix for it. On 15/10/2012 01:10, V Stuart Foote wrote: LibreOffice versions 3.6.0 and later have not correctly implemented the Java Access Bridge (JAB) modules used to expose the Java Accessibility API roles for Windows users. It took me a little while to work out the testing methods, but the Oracle test utilities JavaFerret-32 and JavaMonkey-32 show that LibreOffice is not implementing the Java Accessibility API and therefore does not expose accessibility roles to Assistive Technologies. Neither JAB v.2.0.2 or v 2.0.3, nor current JRE version 1.6u35 or 1.7u7 will make a difference. I tested LibreOffice builds 3.6.0.4, 3.6.1.2, 3.6.2.2, and 3.6.3.1 none of which are functional. In addition today I completed testing of ALL builds of LibreOffice from 3.4.5 to 3.5.7rc2. With exception of the 3.5.0 build they all correctly map Java Accessibility API roles to UNO Accessibility roles. The Java Accessibility API is not as comprehensive as the IAccessible2 role mappings provided by IBM Lotus Symphony 3.0.1, but it is functional for the 3.4 and 3.5 releases of LibreOffice. And, for these versions Windows Assistive Technologies will work. For example, the Windows NVDA screen reader will function with cursor control and component announcements for the entire document tree. Windows versions of LibreOffice 3.6, including the current build 3.6.3 rc1, are NOT USEABLE with Assistive Technologies and they have not been usable with Windows Assistive Technologies at any point. For folks that I've mislead with my insistence that all is well with LibreOffice 3.6 and Java Access Bridge and JRE with use of Assistive Technologies like NVDA screen reader I was wrong--I apologize. I've updated the FDO#53474 (http: bug report https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53474 ) and would encourage folks to vote, i.e. comment on, the enhancement to implement IAccessible2 API ( http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Vote_for_Enhancement ) for Windows builds by incorporating the IBM contributed Symphony code base as a replacement of the Java Accessibility API as that is probably the fastest means of bringing Windows builds of LibreOffice to the same functional level as Linux builds that use the ATK AT-SPI accessibility APIs. Stuart ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
Extension or script? Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE
Hi :) I think that is a brilliant idea! The great thing about hindsight is that things seem so obvious afterwards. Can you post a bug-report and make it into a feature request? One of the drop-down menus is supposed to have feature request as one of the choices but it might be easier to just add [feature request] into the subject-line. Someone on the User List said they couldn't find the option in any of the drop-downs and wanted me to post a screen-shot showing it but i'm no good at posting bug-reports and find their whole interface really difficult to work out. So, i just advised putting the extra bit in the subject-line and let the devs sort the drop-downs. I feel a bit bad and guilty because i know they are busy! Regards from Tom :) From: Kevin Cussick the.big.white.sheph...@googlemail.com To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk Sent: Thursday, 11 October 2012, 19:00 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE Yes Stewart thanks for your hard work I did all you asked I still have no access. It would maybe a nice idea if someone could write a batch file that could sort out the java environment, and or maybe even if lo cam with jre7 it would make it a rather large download but if it cam with it maybe it could just install it all and just bloody work. what do folks think? is this to daft this idea I am not a programer so I am just putting the question out there again thanks for your work on this but it didn't work for me. On 11/10/2012 18:09, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Blimey!! Thanks for putting a lot of work into this! It's amazing to feel that things are moving forwards after such a long time of what felt like inactivity. I'm sure some devs have been working on things behind the scenes but we seldom hear about that side of things on this list. Many regards and thanks from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: David Goldfield dgold...@asb.org; accessibil...@global.libreoffice.org; libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2012, 16:25 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with myJRE David, I spent yesterday working through some of the permutations. I resolved a couple of my own questions. First, that Python based NVDA functions independent of the Java Runtime Environment - Java Access Bridge. NVDA does require the JRE and Java Access Bridge to properly control programs that are implemented with the Java Access Bridge API, unfortunately that includes LibreOffice. But NVDA will remain functional with the JRE JAB removed. NVDA only needs to be momentarily shut down when uninstalling the JAB JRE and can be restarted as the uninstall completes. =-=-= Another issue, per-user LibreOffice profile from past installation attempts or prior versions must be removed. Uninstallation of LibreOffice leaves the per-user configuration files intact. This is intentional from the LibreOffice developers perspective--but it adversely affects installation or re-installation of LibreOffice with accessibility tools and needs to be rebuilt cleanly. The per-user configuration is located at: C:\Users\yourusername\AppData\Roaming\LibreOffice Simply delete the LibreOffice folder and subfolders. And proceed with removal and reinstallation of the JRE, enabling the JAB, and lastly installing LibreOffice with AT enabled. =-=-= Finally, I am curious as to how incomplete the Flat Review LibreOffice JAB based Assistive Technology tools are compared to the Windows IAccessible2 based tools, or Linux AT-SPI based, or even the Apple Accessibility API based renderings. Since IBM continues to develop and distribute the Lotus Symphony suite, current release is 3.0.1 and is free to download and use. http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home/ http://symphony.lotus.com/software/lotus/symphony/home.nsf/home/ I grabbed a set of Windows installers (32-bit), and the FixPack1 for 3.0.1 from http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ls/symphony/ http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/downloads/ls/symphony/ In a side by side comparison using NVDA and the same .odt document -- the IAccessible2 based Symphony clearly accessed more of the MSAA-IAccessible roles than did the Java Access Bridge based LibreOffice. Cursor navigation, and object based mode functioned--as did reporting of font changes, style and header levels and voicing of program annotations like spelling errors. Clearly under NVDA Symphony Document is more useable as an editor. Similar results in the Spreadsheet compared to Calc. =-=-= I'm going to press on and do the same comparison between a Linux Orca session of LibreOffice's AT-SPI based interface, and Symphony (in both Windows and Linux versions)--but suspect it will simply confirm
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-accessibility] Adding Accessibility component to Bug Assistant
Hi :) In bug-reports there are several drop-downs. One has feature request and i think another has Easy hack? Would one of those be better than the other? Which of those was which option of the a, b, c etc? Regards from Tom :) From: Ti tengo d'occhio i...@titengodocchio.it To: libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de Cc: Roman Eisele p...@roman-eisele.de; Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com; libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org; accessibil...@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 31 August 2012, 10:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] [Libreoffice-qa] Adding Accessibility component to Bug Assistant Hi Rainer, well, I didn't know that there were developers focused on specific components; in this case adding an accessibility component won't be the best thing to do, in my opinion… At this point I think we could go for solution C or solution A; in case of solution A, would it be possible to view all issues with the pseudo-keyword accessibility? However I think that solution C could be very suitable; in drupal, for instance, to report accessibility issues there are two special tags: - Accessibility: it means that this is an accessibility issue (it could be a bug, a feature request, a task, etc etc) ; - needs accessibility review: this means that the issue or the patch to solve it needs to be tested by a blind user or an accessibility expert. Now we could choose to use only the accessibility keyword or maybe both accessibility and needs accessibility review, I don't know; but also using just the first keyword would be a great thing… Vincenzo. Il giorno 31/ago/2012, alle ore 06:36, Rainer Bielefeld libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de ha scritto: Ti tengo d'occhio schrieb: in my opinion it would be great to have a component for accessibility; it could let developers to better focus on accessibility bugs and, on the other hand, blind people to know that accessibility is important for this project and that submitting bug reports of this type is more than encouraged… Hi, the advantage of an Accessibility Component would be that it can easily be selected from a pulldown, no typos or other mistakes can happen.But a problem is that an Accessibility Component would not indicate what developer might be the one who can fix the problem. So it always would be replaced during the bug triaging and fixing process. An other possibility would be a Whiteboard entry, but that only can be done after a report in a second step, typos might happen, it is too modest. So I currently think about a Bug Submission Assistant enhancement. We can add a checkbox Accessibility affected, and the Assistant will add Accessibility a) as additional pseudo key word to the Bug Summary line. The advantage of this solution is that the key word would be very visible. or b) as additional pseudo key word to the whiteboard or will c) set Key word Accessibility to the Keyword pane (it should not be a problem to get this new key word from FDO). The advantae of this solution is that it also eases and unifies handling in Bugzilla itself, not only via BSA. And of course d) New Component Accessibility still can be discussed. My order of preference (descending): c - a - b - d Your opinion? When we have a solution here, we can start to mark and process accessibility bugs with increased priority. Best regards Rainer -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to accessibility+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/accessibility/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice-qa] [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Uploading Edited Manual
Hi :) +1 Sorry. Now i have thought about it that final sentence of mine flags up a potential minefield. Klaus-jürgen and Jean's answer is wise. Apols and regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 14/6/12, Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: From: Jean Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Uploading Edited Manual To: documentat...@global.libreoffice.org Date: Thursday, 14 June, 2012, 12:00 I disagree. The changed document should be checked by someone on the team (for example, me) before replacing anything on the wiki. --Jean On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi :) I think, in this case, that it might be better to just upload straight to the wiki http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications ODFAuthors is for proof-reading and all the rest of the process. This case sounds like it is probably ready to go straight to the wiki. Please let us know which chapter and when you have done it as the change might need to get pulled into the completed full book as well as the chapter you have edited. Regards from Tom :) --- On Thu, 14/6/12, klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de wrote: From: klaus-jürgen weghorn ol o...@sophia-louise.de Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Uploading Edited Manual To: Libreoffice-qa libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Cc: documentat...@global.libreoffice.org, jmadero@gmail.com Date: Thursday, 14 June, 2012, 7:01 Hi Joel, *, (ccing the documention-ml) Am 13.06.2012 20:33, schrieb Joel Madero: Hi All, Where do I upload an updated manual. I made an incredibly small change to address a bug report that someone had: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41600 I've done about a paragraph addition just to address the language issue that the user brought up. Can I send this somewhere? Thanks in advance. For questions about documentation it is better to write to documentation-ml (documentat...@global.libreoffice.org). There you will get (hopefully) the right answers and help. Changes in documentation should be first published in ODFAuthors. You should work on the existing document. If it is too difficult to do it for you, give a short signal. It should be easy to integrate your work. Here some links for more information: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Production#Workflow -- Grüße k-j -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to documentation+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/documentation/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted ___ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
Re: [Libreoffice] [libreoffice-marketing] Promoting LibO to Vietnamese students by completing easy hacks
Hi :) It sounds excellent. Does Google own the list or does it belong to TDF? If Gsoc manage to fix all those then surely you would want a list of new easy hacks? I found this page to help ... http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Easy_Hacks That gave a few links to good searches in our bugs area. Here is the 1st one they listed https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstrquery_format=advancedstatus_whiteboard=EasyHackbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENED You are part of the LibreOffice Community so you have as much right to decide as anyone else. Perhaps some in the Steering Group could be considered to have a larger vote, or just more experience. Perhaps this could help open Gsoc to other languages rather than insisting that people speak only 1 language. If so then it could have an even larger benefit to all of us. Your idea is definitely a good move in my opinion. Good luck and regards from Tom :) From: Nguyen Vu Hung (KiEi) vuh...@ki-ei.com To: market...@libreoffice.org; libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Tue, 19 April, 2011 1:42:42 Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Promoting LibO to Vietnamese students by completing easy hacks Hello marketing@ and dev@ Mu`a he` sa'ng ta.o (MHST 2010)[1] works much like (Google) Summer of Code held among Vietnamese and for Vietnamese students. The reason we have our own version of Gsoc in Vietnam is that students' English skill is not so good. As to promote LibO *development* in Vietnam, I would like to ask developers at LibO become a technical co-mentors, and myself will be a co-mentor who bridges the gaps between you and the student(s). I will find some students joining the project. Regarding the topics, is that OK if we pick some easy hacks[2][3] on Gsoc idea page? Please get back to me. Regards, Nguyen Vu Hung [1] http://www.olp.vn/mhst [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Gsoc/Ideas [3] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice
