Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-25 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
On 25/07/2011 03:24, Christian Lohmaier wrote: Hi Norbert, *, On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Norbert Thiebaudnthieb...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com wrote: because you can build with a sdk 10.6 and a

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-25 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Norbert, *, On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 4:44 AM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Norbert, *, [..] If matching SDK is available, use that, otherwise use whatever oldest SDK is

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-24 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Tor, * (now all, wrong button the first time...), On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Tor Lillqvist tlillqv...@novell.com wrote: Having lion doesn't force you to install the latest version of XCode, or does it? Well, if you want to use Xcode 4.x, it must be Xcode 4.1 (the latest). An Xcode

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-24 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Norbert, *, On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 5:57 AM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: Like for example? Mac OSX was the first platform to be WaE free, despite some over-pickyness of the compiler. What pain did gcc 4.0 bring? actually I'm compiling with SDK 10.5 and gcc 4.2.1 right now and

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-24 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Norbert, On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: Ok it is easier to discuss based on actual code... so: the attaches patch, allow for --with-mac-sdk=10.x to be specified the default is the lowest SDK available in /Developer/SDKs regarding the default

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-24 Thread Tor Lillqvist
The more I look at the aqua code (to get inspiration / hints for iOS CocoaTouch), and read the various notes from the MacOSX porters in the OOo Wiki, and read Apple documentation, the more I suspect / realize that the aqua MacOSX port is mostly using obsolete APIs. ATSUI , HITheme*, etc.

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-24 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Norbert, On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: Ok it is easier to discuss based on actual code... so: the attaches patch, allow for --with-mac-sdk=10.x to

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-24 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Norbert, *, On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com wrote: regarding the default see the other posts. just regarding -MACDEVSDK*=/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-24 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Norbert, *, because you can build with a sdk 10.6 and a deployment-target of 10.4 (at least that is how I understood the AvailabilityMacros.h ) Yes, in theory, but see my other post, or look at

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-24 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Norbert, *, On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 7:10 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com wrote: because you can build with a sdk 10.6 and a deployment-target of 10.4 (at least that is how I understood

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-24 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Norbert, *, [..] If matching SDK is available, use that, otherwise use whatever oldest SDK is available and hope for the availability-macro stuff (and more importantly the linking) doesn't fail.

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-23 Thread Tor Lillqvist
Having lion doesn't force you to install the latest version of XCode, or does it? Well, if you want to use Xcode 4.x, it must be Xcode 4.1 (the latest). An Xcode 4(.0) you had in 10.6 tells you to upgrade when you try to use it on 10.7. I haven't tried if one can run the IDE of Xcode 3.2.6

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-22 Thread Tor Lillqvist
I believe it's about time to drop 10.4 support in LibreOffice. [in master] I agree, but please ignore my opinion, as I am not really in the Mac part of this community... I just happen to have also a MacBookPro, I love it, and build LO on it (natively, and cross-compiling for iOS). Most of

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-22 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Joe, On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 20:21 -0700, Joseph Powers wrote: Just doing a little research and wanted to report my findings: Wow - what a nice write-up; we have similar problems on Linux deciding what versions of what underlying infrastructure to support and/or when to axe it.

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-22 Thread Marc-André Laverdière
+1 Support doesn't come free. If there is a real need for it, then we can reverse decision any time... Git is there for such things :) Marc-André Laverdière Software Security Scientist Innovation Labs, Tata Consultancy Services Hyderabad, India On 07/22/2011 03:42 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-22 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 20:21 -0700, Joseph Powers wrote: Just doing a little research and wanted to report my findings: [...]        I'd love an ack from Norbert / Christian - to make a final decision, or if

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-22 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:12 AM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com wrote: Hi Joe, On Thu, 2011-07-21 at 20:21 -0700, Joseph Powers wrote: Just doing a little research and wanted to report my findings:        Wow - what a nice write-up; we have similar problems on Linux deciding what

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-22 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Norbert, *, On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Caveat: Like tml_ I don't consider myself a 'Mac' developer... just a Dev that happen to own a Mac. That being said, Christian is the person that need convincing. Oh, I don't consider myself

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-22 Thread Tor Lillqvist
I just find that drop it because it is old is not enough reason to drop 10.4 support. Yeah, I see your point. I guess a good enough reason to drop it would be this hypothetical (but, I guess, quite possible) situation, or something similar: Some volunteer wants to contribute code that makes

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-22 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Norbert, *, On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: [...] Caveat: Like tml_ I don't consider myself a 'Mac' developer... just a Dev that happen to own a Mac.

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-22 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
Ok it is easier to discuss based on actual code... so: the attaches patch, allow for --with-mac-sdk=10.x to be specified the default is the lowest SDK available in /Developer/SDKs The patch does not check that your CC anc CCX make sens based on the SDK selected (ToDO list) I have only tested it

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-22 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Tor Lillqvist tlillqv...@novell.com wrote: I just find that drop it because it is old is not enough reason to drop 10.4 support. Yeah, I see your point. I guess a good enough reason to drop it would be this hypothetical (but, I guess, quite possible)

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-22 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Tor, *, On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:51 PM, Tor Lillqvist tlillqv...@novell.com wrote: I just find that drop it because it is old is not enough reason to drop 10.4 support. Yeah, I see your point. I guess a good enough reason to drop it would be this hypothetical (but, I guess, quite

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-22 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Norbert, *, On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: [...] The benefit is that a new developer can still build the product, even if he has _only_ a brand new lion. Having lion doesn't force you to install the latest version of XCode, or does it? As you

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-22 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Norbert, *, On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote: the attaches patch, allow for --with-mac-sdk=10.x to be specified the default is the lowest SDK available in /Developer/SDKs This is pointless, it is the same as dropping 10.4 support. Note: the

Re: [Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-22 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
Like for example? Mac OSX was the first platform to be WaE free, despite some over-pickyness of the compiler. What pain did gcc 4.0 bring? actually I'm compiling with SDK 10.5 and gcc 4.2.1 right now and it is picking up quite few more WaE. so gcc-4.0 is not over-picky, quite the contrary... and

[Libreoffice] Mac OS 10.4 Support

2011-07-21 Thread Joseph Powers
Just doing a little research and wanted to report my findings: 1. The last G3 Mac was sold in January 1999 - 12 years ago 2. The last G5 mac was sold in August 2006 - 5 years ago 2. Mac OS 10.5 was released in October 2007 - 4 years ago 3. The last security update for Mac OS 10.4 was September