[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-12-15 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present: + Rainer, Michael Stahl, Christian, Norbert, Cor Nouws, Bjoern, Lionel, Stephan, Eike, Kendy, Caolan, Cedric, Petr, Lubos * Completed Action Items + create 'lightproof' git repo on freedesktop for Laszlo (Michael) + review pending labels

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-12-15 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote: QA awesome git bibi fun (Bjoern) [...]        + Norbert to investigate it working on Mac, will it bloat up                + have to copy images, not DMGs nitpickDMGs are the images (disk images, similar to a

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-12-15 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Christian Lohmaier lohmaier+libreoff...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi *, On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote: QA awesome git bibi fun (Bjoern) [...]        + Norbert to investigate it working on Mac, will it bloat up        

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-12-15 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Michael Meeks wrote: + cleanup old test build server directories (Thorsten) This is done - there were beta0 builds from the Linux/Windows Release config still around, but since beta0 was not so nice anyway ... ;) + 3.4.5 - tag delayed by two days + builds already on

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-12-15 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi Thorsten, *, On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Michael Meeks wrote:       + bugzilla submission assistant - lots of work currently               + pending integration of link in the help menu for 3.5 AA:           + get a permanant

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-12-15 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Christian Lohmaier wrote: A proposal for such common URL has been hub.libreoffice.org/whatevertask?optional=parameterslike=versionand=distribution Yep, recall that - wanna work on this, you seem to have spent quite some thought on it already? Cheers, -- Thorsten pgpWkkRW3kXQG.pgp

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-13 Thread Michael Meeks
On Mon, 2011-12-12 at 19:53 +, Pedro Lino wrote: Uninstalled Java 6 rev 29. Run LO 3.4.4. Executed File, Wizard, Letter. Reported missing Java Run LOdev 3.5.0 Build ID: f923851-7f15fca-1f1fd1a-ca8e46d-5bcbce4. Executed File, Wizard, Letter. LOdev crashed. Gosh; when you say

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-12 Thread Pedro Lino
Hi all Would be great if somebody could check Java 7 more thoroughly, for both upcoming LO 3.4.5 and 3.5. Some findings about Java 7 under Win XP Pro x86 SP3: Uninstalled Java 6 rev 29. Run LO 3.4.4. Executed File, Wizard, Letter. Reported missing Java Run LOdev 3.5.0 Build ID:

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-12-09 Thread Michael Meeks
On Thu, 2011-12-08 at 16:19 +, Michael Meeks wrote: * gtk3 backend + change the configure to default to 'on' for this + not feasible to build on our legacy machines So - just to wind Fridrich up ;-) I had a wonderful idea of making a 'stubify' perl script that would

[Libreoffice-qa] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 12/08/2011 05:19 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: + back-port Java 7 to 3.4 if no show-stopping regressions in B0 (Stephan) AA: + enable Java 7 in 3.4.5 check RC1 feedback (Stephan) Support for Java 7 (both Linux and Windows) is now also enabled for the upcoming LO 3.4.5. I

Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Java 7 support in LO 3.4.5 (was: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...)

2011-12-09 Thread Pedro Lino
Support for Java 7 (both Linux and Windows) is now also enabled for the upcoming LO 3.4.5.  I just checked on Linux that a JRE 1.7.0_01 can be enabled on the Tools - Options... - LibreOffice - Java tab page, and that File - Wizards - Letter... (which uses Java) looks reasonable. Would be

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-12-08 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present: + Rainer, Stephan, Eike, Fridrich, Norbert, Kendy, Mitch, Bjoern, Michael, Tor, Lionel, Caolan, Cedric, Thorsten, Andras, Kohei * Completed Action Items + python/wizards merge for 3.5 strip old versions (Michael) + send Monty mail about

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-12-02 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Lionel, On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 01:49 +0100, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: 1) Change configure.in to detect / use the MariaDB lib instead of / alternatively to the MySQL C Connector. I see not reason not to leave people the choice; Makes sense. Note that we still (maybe?) have a

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-12-01 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present: + Eike, Rainer, Andras, David, Lionel, Stephan, August Bjoern, Norbert, Caolan, Kendy, Petr, Mitch, Michael S. Tor, Kohei, Cedric, Monty * Completed Action Items + help out Lionel with a deeper dive into fdo#39950 (Caolan) + flatten

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-12-01 Thread Eike Rathke
Hi Michael, On Thursday, 2011-12-01 16:21:09 +, Michael Meeks wrote: * DateTime default constructor fix (Eike) + looses ~500 places to call gettimeofday by mistake umm.. would be nice, but.. seems that didn't come across correctly. There are about 100 places out of 400, I'll come up

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-12-01 Thread Cor Nouws
Michael Meeks wrote (01-12-11 17:21) * QA Update (Rainer) + Cor to organise a bug-hunting session for B1 next weekend. Working to get some support :-) Cheers, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org ___ LibreOffice mailing list

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-12-01 Thread Alex Thurgood
Le 01/12/2011 17:21, Michael Meeks a écrit : * MariaDB intro (Monty) + original MySQL company product creator + MariaDB increasingly visible in the market featureful + 100% drop-in replacement for C connector + identical protocol, fully interoperable

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-12-01 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 04:21:09PM +, Michael Meeks wrote: * MariaDB intro (Monty) + 100% drop-in replacement for C connector + identical protocol, fully interoperable + MariaDB adds extra stuff, but handshakes first + client-side is ABI compatible

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-12-01 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 10:35:45PM +0100, Alex Thurgood wrote: Le 01/12/2011 17:21, Michael Meeks a écrit : * MariaDB intro (Monty) + original MySQL company product creator + MariaDB increasingly visible in the market featureful + 100% drop-in replacement for C connector

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-28 Thread Michael Stahl
On 25/11/11 15:13, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:20:50AM +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: DISPLAY=:42 ./soffice --accept=pipe,name=$USER;urp; --norestore --nologo -env:UserInstallation=file:///tmp/xyz instead of that monster you cant now run: make debugrun on

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-25 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 23:38 +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: However, we are not so much interested in interactively working with soffice in the subsequenttest. Rather than return to the 60s I'd still like to have an interactive debugger :-) C. ___

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-25 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Bjoern, On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 05:56 +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: One allnigher later, its to late for opinions. Implemented with: This looks like a real improvement, that will make subsequentcheck much more useful, and me (at least) more likely to care about running it :-) Still

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-25 Thread Michael Stahl
On 24/11/11 21:23, Caolán McNamara wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 16:26 +, Michael Meeks wrote: + subsequentcheck + number of ways to improve it (Caolan) the way i've always debugged it is something like: DISPLAY=:42 ./soffice --accept=pipe,name=$USER;urp; --norestore

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-25 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 09:48:22AM +, Michael Meeks wrote: So - (for me) the only missing piece now is the ability to quickly (ie. 12 minutes) get back to running precisely the failing test; Is it easy / possible to print a message at the end (after all this goodness)

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-25 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 08:58:06AM +, Caolán McNamara wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 23:38 +0100, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: However, we are not so much interested in interactively working with soffice in the subsequenttest. Rather than return to the 60s ... Austin PowersYeah, Baby,

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-25 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:20:50AM +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: the way i've always debugged it is something like: DISPLAY=:42 ./soffice --accept=pipe,name=$USER;urp; --norestore --nologo -env:UserInstallation=file:///tmp/xyz then attach gdb to soffice.bin then run subsequenttests e.g.

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-25 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 11:20:50AM +0100, Michael Stahl wrote: DISPLAY=:42 ./soffice --accept=pipe,name=$USER;urp; --norestore --nologo -env:UserInstallation=file:///tmp/xyz instead of that monster you cant now run: make debugrun on Linux(*), which ... then attach gdb to soffice.bin

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-25 Thread Christian Lohmaier
Hi *, On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote: * Pending Action Items        + ask Christian wrt. Mac / PPC (Fridrich) As I keep seeing this without being aware of any mail/question regarding this - Is that Christian me? I'd guess so since I run the Mac/PPC

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-25 Thread Michael Meeks
On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 15:17 +0100, Christian Lohmaier wrote: * Pending Action Items + ask Christian wrt. Mac / PPC (Fridrich) As I keep seeing this without being aware of any mail/question regarding this - Is that Christian me? I'd guess so since I run the Mac/PPC tinderbox,

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-24 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present: + Thorsten, Stephan, Mitch, Eike, Andras, David, Bjoern, Kendy, Caolan, Michael S, Petr, Rainer, Lionel, Tor, Markus * Completed Action Items: + add merged msi details to 3.5 release page (Andras) + add unexpected mingw regressions to MingW

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-24 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 16:26 +, Michael Meeks wrote: + subsequentcheck + number of ways to improve it (Caolan) + Bjoern has a nice write-up of how to debug it here: i.e. sommat like a) just move that out of dev-tools into bin or solenv/bin b) tweak it to honour

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 20:23:22 + Caolán McNamara caol...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 16:26 +, Michael Meeks wrote: + Bjoern has a nice write-up of how to debug it here: i.e. sommat like a) just move that out of dev-tools into bin or solenv/bin b) tweak it to honour

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-24 Thread Bjoern Michaelsen
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:38:28 +0100 Bjoern Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com wrote: However, we are not so much interested in interactively working with soffice in the subsequenttest. So how about a very old fashioned and almost forgotten way to debug: creating a core dump! For

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-17 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present: + Eike, Bjoern, Andras, Michael, Tor, Norbert, Stephan, Caolan, Kohei, Michael S, Thorsten, Lionel, Mitch * Completed Action Items + add easy hack to kill PRODUCT in favour of DBG_UTIL (Bjoern) + ask wrt. hacking php to improve easy-hacks presentation

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-17 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote: * consistent tinderbox naming scheme (Thorsten, Norbert)        + Pedro Lino suggested that        + names turning up in other scripts        + seems that it might make it easier for the QA guys, if        the names

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-11 Thread Jan Holesovsky
Hi, On 2011-11-10 at 17:34 +, Michael Meeks wrote: + ideally, done as a patch + needs windows experimentation etc. + where does 'assert' output on windows go ? When we hit an assert on Windows, it shows a message box with the message + file + lineno, and

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-10 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present: + Norbert, Eike, David, Stephan, Michael, Bjoern, Andras, Petr, Caolan, Thorsten, Cedric, Fridrich, Tor, Christian * Completed Action Items + rotate top #10 easy-hacks on front-page (Bjoern) + poke UI / Translation issue bug#42388 (Andras)

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-10 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com wrote: * Make binfilter depend on tail_build        + not a big issue, will happen as/when needed or someone wants that.        + other modules prevent that currently; cf. 'extensions' Errata: other module are on the

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-04 Thread Andras Timar
2011/11/3 Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com: * QA update (Rainer)        + problems with UI translations for Farsi / Arabian AA:             + chase it down cf. bug#42388 (Andras) I made a comment and closed the bug. It is not a bug that we can fix, translation is missing. Farsi is at ~50%.

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-11-03 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present: + Stephan, David, Eike, Andras, Norbert, Rainer, Caolan, Cedric, Petr, Fridrich, Kohei, Kendy, Michael * Completed Action Items + review Noel's OLE automation fix for 3.4.4 (Petr) + package Liberation fonts on Win32 (Fridrich) * Pending Action Items

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-10-27 Thread Michael Meeks
Present: + Eike, Michael, Thorsten, Stephan, Andras, Fridrich, Kendy, Tor, David, Norbert, Rainer, Michael S, Bjoern, Caolan, Petr * Completed Action Items + adding l10n code is currently done by pair of VB Scripts need to grok port these to a better

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-10-21 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 10/21/2011 02:06 AM, Kevin Hunter wrote: At 4:52pm -0400 Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Michael Meeks wrote: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4 + getting stuck into Windows / mingw build etc. From the wiki page, one of the concerns is binary incompatibility. I assume this

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-10-21 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Kevin, On Thu, 2011-10-20 at 20:06 -0400, Kevin Hunter wrote: From the wiki page, one of the concerns is binary incompatibility. I assume this is in reference to extensions? Sure; of course we only export a reasonably small ABI, the 'ure' (big chunks of which are in-lined C++

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-10-21 Thread Kevin Hunter
At 4:39am -0400 Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Michael Meeks wrote: [one /could/ work toward interprocess extensions ... ] But of course, I personally think there is much lower hanging fruit in the calc core ;-) Noted and agreed! I'm just sticking my nose in all things LO, probably stepping on toes as I

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-10-21 Thread Kevin Hunter
At 4:11am -0400 Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Stephan Bergmann wrote: On 10/21/2011 02:06 AM, Kevin Hunter wrote: 5. That API definition will be a *lot* of work, but hopefully somewhat thought out already through only a mild reengineering of the current binary API. The UNO API is already there. Or what

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-10-21 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 10/21/2011 11:08 AM, Kevin Hunter wrote: At 4:11am -0400 Fri, 21 Oct 2011, Stephan Bergmann wrote: On 10/21/2011 02:06 AM, Kevin Hunter wrote: 5. That API definition will be a *lot* of work, but hopefully somewhat thought out already through only a mild reengineering of the current binary

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-10-21 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 10/21/2011 10:39 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Kevin, On Thu, 2011-10-20 at 20:06 -0400, Kevin Hunter wrote: From the wiki page, one of the concerns is binary incompatibility. I assume this is in reference to extensions? Sure; of course we only export a reasonably small ABI, the

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-10-21 Thread Michael Meeks
On Fri, 2011-10-21 at 14:51 +0200, Stephan Bergmann wrote: That would of course mean shipping some duplicate legacy MSVC++ compiled libraries, but ... surely do-able. It would not suffice to ship them, one would also need to build them. Kind of back to square one. For windows -

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-10-21 Thread Stephan Bergmann
On 10/21/2011 03:57 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: On Fri, 2011-10-21 at 14:51 +0200, Stephan Bergmann wrote: That would of course mean shipping some duplicate legacy MSVC++ compiled libraries, but ... surely do-able. It would not suffice to ship them, one would also need to build them. Kind of

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-10-20 Thread Michael Meeks
Present: + Stephan, Petr, Michael, Andras, Mitch, Thorster, Rainer, Michael Stahl, Caolan, Tor, Kendy, Eike, Bjoern, Norbert * Completed Action Items + publicise our list of ODF proposals / extensions (Thorsten)

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-10-20 Thread Kevin Hunter
At 4:52pm -0400 Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Michael Meeks wrote: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/LibreOffice4 + getting stuck into Windows / mingw build etc. From the wiki page, one of the concerns is binary incompatibility. I assume this is in reference to

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-10-06 Thread Michael Meeks
+ Present: + Thorsten, Andras, Michael M, Stephan, Tor, Rainer, Mitch, Norbert, Kendy, Michael S, Bjoern, Caolan, Petr + Completed + add ABI related re-factoring plans to wiki [ on going / indeterminate ] at:

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-09-29 Thread Michael Meeks
Present: + Norbert, Thorsten, Michael, Stephan, Andras, David, Rainer, Mitch, Bjoern, Caolan + Completed Action Items + spec. for beefier gerrit machine - sysadmin team (Bjoern) + Pending Action Items + default to TM safe (non-TDF) branding (Thorsten) +

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-09-23 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 5:16 AM, Jan Holesovsky ke...@suse.cz wrote: Hi Cor, Cor Nouws píše v Út 13. 09. 2011 v 00:26 +0200:     + Release mgmt (Petr)             + concern wrt. bugs in master - need some focus there             + no more releases until after the conference    A pity

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-09-15 Thread Michael Meeks
Present: + Norbert, Rainer, Michael, Mitch, Andras, Cedric, Thorsten, David, Bjoern, Petr, Kohei + Completed Action Items + write substance of what is needed wrt. the extensions templates announce send to Florian (Andreas) + New extensions website:

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-09-12 Thread Cor Nouws
Michael Meeks wrote (08-09-11 17:28) + Release mgmt (Petr) + concern wrt. bugs in master - need some focus there + no more releases until after the conference A pity since 3.4.3 has at least one nasty regression. -- - Cor -

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-09-08 Thread Michael Meeks
Present: + Norbert, David, Stephan, Cedric, Thorsten, Andras, Bjoern, Rainer, Michael, Kohei, Caolan + Completed Action Items + get Bjoern setup with a vhost for gerrit (Thorsten / Christian) + playground already constructed / public: at

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-09-08 Thread Kohei Yoshida
On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 16:28 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: AA: + give mdds website / commit rights out more diversly (Kohei) This is already done. Now Caolan and David should have the same rights as I do. Kohei -- Kohei Yoshida, LibreOffice hacker, Calc

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-09-06 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Cor, On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 07:16 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: So thanks for putting this at the agenda. (But of course note that it is not stated fully correct.) As you have seen, I posted some overview on the subject to the list two days ago I didn't see that, any chance of a re-send;

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-09-06 Thread Cor Nouws
Michael Meeks wrote (06-09-11 17:56) As you have seen, I posted some overview on the subject to the list two days ago I didn't see that, (no wonder, it was a Sunday evening ;-) ) any chance of a re-send; if you give enough details no doubt we can discuss it ourselves,

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-09-05 Thread Cor Nouws
Michael Meeks wrote (01-09-11 16:55) * Agenda items + request to move 3.5.x feature-freeze forward (Cor) So thanks for putting this at the agenda. (But of course note that it is not stated fully correct.) As you have seen, I posted some overview on the subject to the list two days

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-09-01 Thread Michael Meeks
Present: + Norbert, Andras, Bjoern, Petr, Kendy, Caolan, Rainer, Stephan, Kohei, Michael + Finished Action Items + in-progress: setup gerrit a test repo (Bjoern) + in-progress: disable .po file editing hook: only to be used in translations (Norbert) +

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-08-26 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 18:05 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: + intermittent(?) dictionary loss in 3.4.3 + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37195 + most annoying for testers: + who do a lots of

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-08-26 Thread Andras Timar
2011/8/26 Caolán McNamara caol...@redhat.com: On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 18:05 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:               + intermittent(?) dictionary loss in 3.4.3                       + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37195                       + most annoying for testers:          

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-08-26 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 11:59 +0200, Andras Timar wrote: wope reproduced it under openSUSE 11.4, see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37195#c32 I don't ask why patients lie, I just assume they all do. :-) C. ___ LibreOffice mailing list

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-08-26 Thread Caolán McNamara
On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 11:14 +0100, Caolán McNamara wrote: On Fri, 2011-08-26 at 11:59 +0200, Andras Timar wrote: wope reproduced it under openSUSE 11.4, see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37195#c32 I don't ask why patients lie, I just assume they all do. :-) My working

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-08-25 Thread Michael Meeks
+ Present: + Norbert, Rainer, Bjoern, Thorsten, Petr, Kendy, Andreas, Caolan, Michael (late) + Completed Action items: + script that downloads the git sources for you (Norbert) done + drop: conference paper: onegit / tinderbox (Norbert) + dig up suitable

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-08-18 Thread Michael Meeks
* Present: + Norbert, David, Rainer, Bjoern, Kendy, Kohei, Caolan, Petr, Cedric, Lubos, Michael, Mitch + Completed Action Items: + get SmartArt interop. feature into master (Thorsten) + easy hacks - completion / fixing (Bjoern) + looks pretty: eg.

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-07-21 Thread Michael Meeks
Present: + Norbert, Mitch, David, Kendy, Andras, Michael, Caolan, Rainer, Bjoern, Fridrich, Petr * Completed Action Items + implementing vertical text with Cairo (Caolan) + manual / wiki page for using nightlies (Rainer) + windows snapshot builds are

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-07-08 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
(I would also suggest release on Thursday so that feedback from the second week-end have a chance to be fixed before the next release) Marketing wise, release on Thursday is risky, because one day later (what happens) makes it Friday.. The important release, marketing wise, is the Final

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech. steering call ...

2011-07-07 Thread Michael Meeks
Present: Andras, Michael, Mitch, Rainer, Caolan, Rene, Petr, Francois, Cedric, Bjoern * Completed action items + review Norbert's updated C app (Kendy, Tor) * Pending Action Items: + Easy Hacks - completion / fixing (Bjoern) + in-progress: get SmartArt

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-07-07 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Norbert, all, (sorry for the delay, but of course we all have our mail archives in order ;-) ) Norbert Thiebaud wrote (26-06-11 00:59) On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: The more QA, people, the faster it goes, of course. But that is another matter. And

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-07-07 Thread Cor Nouws
Norbert Thiebaud wrote (26-06-11 01:16) On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Therefore I argue that it would not be fair to decide on 7 weeks from the deadline, that it is shortened by 3 or 4 weeks. Sure, but delaying the Release Date by 3 or 4 weeks will not

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-07-07 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Michael, Michael Meeks wrote (27-06-11 12:47) On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 23:52 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: And indeed, I see no reason why that would be a natural thing happening. If there is a moment that we know: QA on this build is important, do this ... that will help focussing :-)

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-07-03 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 20/06/2011 Michael Meeks wrote: We need people who in addition to coping with the tedium of reacting to the security issues, providing fixes and testing them on older branches - also like to write them up. This is an important factor for people considering to upgrade their current

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-27 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Cor, On Sat, 2011-06-25 at 23:52 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: And indeed, I see no reason why that would be a natural thing happening. If there is a moment that we know: QA on this build is important, do this ... that will help focussing :-) So :-) now is this moment. It is important

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-27 Thread Petr Mladek
Cor Nouws píše v Pá 24. 06. 2011 v 08:43 +0200: plino wrote (24-06-11 02:03) BTW since only Betas can be installed in parallel with the stable build under Windows and that was not added to the 3.4.x branch (at least from my understanding) I guess Windows Beta testers will have to wait for

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-27 Thread plino
Petr Mladek wrote: It is well recommended to use daily builds from http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/. They include the very last fixes and can be installed in parallel with the announced builds. That may be true for other OSes but not for Windows. Once LO gets to 3.5.x that will

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-27 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi there, On Mon, 2011-06-27 at 07:19 -0700, plino wrote: That may be true for other OSes but not for Windows. Once LO gets to 3.5.x that will (hopefully) be a correct statement. Oh - well - since master is going to turn into 3.5, if that is not parallel installing, then we have a

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-27 Thread Rainer Bielefeld
Michael Meeks schrieb: Oh - well - since master is going to turn into 3.5, if that is not parallel installing, then we have a problem Hi, I believe most testers can live with every behavior, but behavior must be predictable. We ned some Help (Wiki: QA/DailyBuilds) with exact

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-25 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Norbert, *, Norbert Thiebaud wrote (25-06-11 02:21) On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Do misunderstand the meaning of 'freezing'? I understand it as the point from where only bug fixes are allowed to the branch. So a longer time frame without large

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-25 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: [...] ( Now I snip a whole lot of words from you with valuable aspects of QAdevelopmet etc. Yeah, sometime I tend to to suffer from logorrhea :-) The more QA, people, the faster it goes, of course. But that is another

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-25 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Therefore I argue that it would not be fair to decide on 7 weeks from the deadline, that it is shortened by 3 or 4 weeks. Sure, but delaying the Release Date by 3 or 4 weeks will not be fair to downstream either The calendar

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-24 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Pedro, plino wrote (24-06-11 02:03) Cor Nouws wrote: Plus - especially with the unfortunate experience from 3.4.0, and to do something good for users, testers, marketing etc - IMO it is better that in the end we have three weeks extra, than that we lack three days. So I would really love

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-24 Thread plino
Cor Nouws wrote: Well, I don't see any betas coming for the 3.4.x branch, so whether is has been added or not, does not make sense. Unless TDF is going to adopt the absurd Chrome (and now Firefox) version model, the next version should be 3.5.0 indeed. I guess we (Windows users) will have

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-24 Thread Cor Nouws
plino wrote (24-06-11 09:03) Cor Nouws wrote: Well, I don't see any betas coming for the 3.4.x branch, so whether is has been added or not, does not make sense. Unless TDF is going to adopt the absurd Chrome (and now Firefox) version model, the next version should be 3.5.0 indeed. Hmm -

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-24 Thread Cor Nouws
Cor Nouws wrote (24-06-11 09:21) I know no evidence that Windows (users) is (are) not taken seriously. I think it will help if people try more serious to improve on where we are, also with QA/testing, rather then complain. Hmm, while slicing an excellent mango (hmm ;-) , my thoughts drifted

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-24 Thread John LeMoyne Castle
Michael @ OP - awesome set of notes! Cor @ I only can point to my favourite page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel Even though I have two build configs (3.4 and master), OOo3.2 and the 3.4 release installed, I have been frustrated in doing full triage/testing and

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-24 Thread Michael Meeks
On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 01:11 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: * Posting TSC minutes on the blog ... + Norbert: wording is very terse, not enough context, not suitable for mass public consumption. + Suggestion: needs to be expanded, and made more comprehensible, someone who

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-24 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Cor, On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 01:09 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: Apologies for that - but it was about what I expected. (Have to try to focus on making a living during the day-hours ;-) ) Sure, sure ... + extend the feature-freeze period for 3.5 ? + Norbert: may not

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-24 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Michael, Michael Meeks wrote (24-06-11 10:52) On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 01:09 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: Apologies for that - but it was about what I expected. (Have to try to focus on making a living during the day-hours ;-) ) Sure, sure ... + extend the feature-freeze period

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-24 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:        Indeed - by freezing earlier we could potentially make things worse ;-) Warning: you're going to loose me completely in the next paragraph. because QA will not have started at all, and thus there will apparently be

[Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-23 Thread Michael Meeks
Attendees: + Michael, Caolan, Kendy, Andreas, Rainer, Timar, Tor, Thorsten, Petr, Francois, Norbert, Cedric * Completed AA's + binned dlsym'd fontconfig non-fontconfig X font code paths (Caolan) + avoid: completely junking gnome-vfs backend startup hooks

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-23 Thread Francois Tigeot
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 07:27:36PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: * Completed AA's + kill Adabas integration dead in master (Francois) + disabled for a release, removed next release I have found no evidence it is still used, but there still may be people living under a rock

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi *, Michael Meeks wrote (23-06-11 20:27) * Release quality / complaints ... (Cor / Italo / Olivier) + presenters not present Apologies for that - but it was about what I expected. (Have to try to focus on making a living during the day-hours ;-) ) + extend the

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Michael Meeks wrote (23-06-11 20:27) * Posting TSC minutes on the blog ... + Norbert: wording is very terse, not enough context, not suitable for mass public consumption. + Suggestion: needs to be expanded, and made more comprehensible, someone who wants that

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-23 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Michael Meeks wrote (23-06-11 20:27) * Posting TSC minutes on the blog ...        + Norbert: wording is very terse, not enough context, not suitable          for mass public consumption.        + Suggestion: needs to be

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-23 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Norbert, Norbert Thiebaud wrote (24-06-11 01:32) On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl wrote: Michael Meeks wrote (23-06-11 20:27) * Posting TSC minutes on the blog ... + Norbert: wording is very terse, not enough context, not suitable for mass

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-23 Thread plino
Cor Nouws wrote: Plus - especially with the unfortunate experience from 3.4.0, and to do something good for users, testers, marketing etc - IMO it is better that in the end we have three weeks extra, than that we lack three days. So I would really love to be on the save side .. Thank

Re: [Libreoffice] minutes of tech steering call ...

2011-06-20 Thread Michael Meeks
Hi Andrea, On Sat, 2011-06-18 at 14:57 +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Would it be possible to have some more information about the security issues fixed in LibreOffice 3.3 ? Sure - this is what the agenda item is about; AFAIR there is only one interesting one, that is a Lotus Word Pro

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