Re: Deprecation (was Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice)

2016-01-17 Thread Bryan Quigley
umentation for >> it. >> If it's an unused feature, I'd suggest that's why than for other reasons. >> >> Best regards, >> Rick C. Hodgin >> >> >> >> >> Original Message >> From: Chris Sherlock >> Sent: Mon,

Re: Deprecation (was Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice)

2016-01-13 Thread Rick C. Hodgin
; > -Original Message- > From: Bryan Quigley <gqu...@gmail.com> > To: "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hod...@gmail.com> > Cc: Chris Sherlock <chris.sherloc...@gmail.com>, Ashod Nakashian < > ashnak...@gmail.com>, libreoffice <libreoffice@lists.f

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-12 Thread SOS
Bryan, OK but someone must confirm that removing activeX has no influence on this API functions and the LO codebase can use the ATL stuff without activeX and the "CreateObject" will still been functioning. greetez Fernand On 13/01/2016 5:19, Bryan Quigley wrote: My understanding is that ATL

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-12 Thread Bryan Quigley
08:21 PM > To: Ashod Nakashian > CC: libreoffice ; Bryan Quigley > Subject: Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice > > That sounds pretty reasonable to me. > > Out of interest, just how “integrated” is this with the code? If someone > wanted to create an external project

Deprecation (was Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice)

2016-01-12 Thread James E Lang
rloc...@gmail.com>, Ashod Nakashian <ashnak...@gmail.com>, libreoffice <libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org> Sent: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 20:27 Subject: Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice Hi Rick, ActiveX is deprecated by Microsoft and will be less useful (or not at all) on newer MS

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-12 Thread SOS
t could not find documentation for it. If it's an unused feature, I'd suggest that's why than for other reasons. Best regards, Rick C. Hodgin Original Message From: Chris Sherlock Sent: Mon, 11/01/2016 08:21 PM To: Ashod Nakashian CC: libreoffice ; Bryan Quigley Subject: Re: Rem

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-12 Thread SOS
On 11/01/2016 20:32, Bryan Quigley wrote: I propose we add it to the 5.1 release notes (and 5.2 notes too) as: Intent to Remove ActiveX support in the 5.2 release. If this change negatively affects your Windows application please email the LibreOffice development list with your use case and

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-12 Thread James E Lang
-Original Message- From: Bryan Quigley <gqu...@gmail.com> To: libreoffice <libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org> Sent: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 15:41 Subject: Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice -->8= >My position on ActiveX is to leave it (lest we break applicat

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-12 Thread Rick C. Hodgin
.freedesktop.org> > Sent: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 15:41 > Subject: Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice > > -->8= > > >My position on ActiveX is to leave it (lest we break applications in the > wild,) and to *announce its deprecation* with two goals: first, solicit th

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-12 Thread Rick C. Hodgin
it appears to be fully integrated. It is a >> powerful tool. And as I say, I have not used LibreOffice for integration >> because I could not find good documentation on how to do it, whereas there >> are many online resources on how to use Microsoft Office integration. If >> the docu

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-12 Thread timofonic timofonic
. If > the documentation were better, Windows people would use it as it is highly > desirable. > > Best regards, > Rick C. Hodgin > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:52 AM, James E Lang <jim+...@lang.hm> wrote: > > > > > > > -Original Message-

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-12 Thread Anthonys Lists
On 12/01/2016 15:36, timofonic timofonic wrote: I would love: - Writer: The best of a "text processor". Become a powerful ide. Able to edit using markup languages. Able to use DVCS like Git. You've got me on my hobbyhorse :-) Both emacs and (el)vi(m)(s), iirc, allow multiple edit windows on

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-12 Thread Tor Lillqvist
OK, now that "reveal codes" was brought up, this thread definitely has jumped the shark. --tml ___ LibreOffice mailing list LibreOffice@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-11 Thread Ashod Nakashian
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Bryan Quigley wrote: > > > Anywhere else we should post this? > > Ideally the note would show up unintrusively upon loading/using the ActiveX itself. Unfortunately we can't show a message box or some such UI, in case the ActiveX is used

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-11 Thread Rick C. Hodgin
Why are you removing ActiveX from LibreOffice? Excel supports it, and it is desirable for integration with Windows apps like C#, Visual Basic, Visual FoxPro. It allows those other apps to integrate the app directly into their app.I have tried to use it previously, but could not find

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-11 Thread Chris Sherlock
That sounds pretty reasonable to me. Out of interest, just how “integrated” is this with the code? If someone wanted to create an external project on GitHub or some place like this, would it be feasible? I guess I’m trying to understand how much of core it touches… to reimplement an ActiveX

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-11 Thread Bryan Quigley
I propose we add it to the 5.1 release notes (and 5.2 notes too) as: Intent to Remove ActiveX support in the 5.2 release. If this change negatively affects your Windows application please email the LibreOffice development list with your use case and plan for moving off of ActiveX. We

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-10 Thread Chris Sherlock
> On 11 Jan 2016, at 10:41 AM, Bryan Quigley wrote: > > To look at this issue from another POV.. If someone showed up today > with an issue with a LO ActiveX control embedded in their application > that didn't work - what would our response be? It's an outdated > technology

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-10 Thread Chris Sherlock
So I believe that we haven’t come to any firm conclusion on this issue. There is a patch in gerrit currently, I’m a bit concerned it might be pushed before this is concretely decided. What is our position on ActiveX? Michael raises a pretty good point, and there are others who have said

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-10 Thread Ashod Nakashian
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 8:44 AM, Chris Sherlock wrote: > What is our position on ActiveX? > As Michael accurately noted, ActiveX is for more than browser embedding. It's a generic framework for cross-language modules, which IE simply capitalized on. It is used quite

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-10 Thread Bryan Quigley
I missed a couple of posts being off list, and some from Gerrit comments. >(1)And the cost of maintaining it is currently near zero, no? I don't think so, it's likely more of a maintenance cost than NPAPI was. I'm not an expert but it makes our Windows builds more complex. >(2)As Michael

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-04 Thread Michael Stahl
On 30.12.2015 21:02, Bryan Quigley wrote: > Hi there, > > Recently it was decided to remove the rest of NPAPI support [1] which > got me thinking about the other Windows specific plugin tech - > ActiveX. > > It seems ActiveX is very much no longer recommended by Microsoft and > it seems to not

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2016-01-01 Thread Chris Sherlock
Does this mean it’s no longer crashing? Chris > On 1 Jan 2016, at 3:31 PM, Chris Sherlock wrote: > > P.S. given that LO is crashing due to the ActiveX control borking, that bug > still needs troubleshooting. > > Mark, can you provide us with a backtrace when

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2015-12-31 Thread Tor Lillqvist
> In a word: mantainence. > > ActiveX is a failed idea by Microsoft, and in fact there is always a > burden in maintaining things that aren't seen as at all useful or even > desirable. > > We removed plugins for a similar reason. > I'm all for removing it. The less weird features, the better.

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2015-12-31 Thread Thorsten Behrens
Mark Hung wrote: > A valid use case is to read the uploaded documents on SharePoint server in > intranet. > Eventually it obsoletes, but I prefer to consider this when facing some > directly related event. > ( i.e EOL of Windows7, new toolchain ceasing ActiveX support, or security > issue which

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2015-12-31 Thread Chris Sherlock
P.S. given that LO is crashing due to the ActiveX control borking, that bug still needs troubleshooting. Mark, can you provide us with a backtrace when soffice dies, then add it to the TDF bug report? Chris On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Chris Sherlock wrote: >

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2015-12-31 Thread Mark Hung
Hi all, I lost my memory and messed tdf#90386 with another thing. It didn't seem to work properly since IE8 / LO4.2.2, though I did try to fix it. 2016-01-01 12:17 GMT+08:00 Chris Sherlock : > Unless I'm much mistaken, the ActiveX control does almost exactly the

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2015-12-31 Thread Chris Sherlock
Unless I'm much mistaken, the ActiveX control does almost exactly the same thing that the browser plugin did for Netscape. Given that in Edge Microsoft will not be supporting ActiveX plugins any more, isn't the justification for removing the ActiveX control the same as for remove the NSAPI

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2015-12-31 Thread Mark Hung
;-( .. Oh, I provide the wrong information again. I mean the file didn't open if LibreOffice is installed with both Explorer Extension and Active X disabled. 2016-01-01 14:53 GMT+08:00 Mark Hung : > Hi all, > > I lost my memory and messed tdf#90386 with another thing. > It

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2015-12-30 Thread Bryan Quigley
>I've reported tdf#90386 last year, which was about IE8 didn't render >embedded LibreOffice properly. From that bug, does that mean it doesn't really work properly anyway since LO 4.4/IE8? >Eventually it obsoletes, but I prefer to consider this when facing some >directly related event. >( i.e

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2015-12-30 Thread Mark Hung
tdf#90386 is about IE8 only, IE9 and above do not have the issue. In the case I reported, IE8 is still used in order to compatible with legacy systems. It is my point that, why bother to remove it if not harmful or infeasible? 2015-12-31 10:19 GMT+08:00 Bryan Quigley : > >I've

Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2015-12-30 Thread Bryan Quigley
Hi there, Recently it was decided to remove the rest of NPAPI support [1] which got me thinking about the other Windows specific plugin tech - ActiveX. It seems ActiveX is very much no longer recommended by Microsoft and it seems to not work by default for IE10/11 on Windows 7 and up. Any

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2015-12-30 Thread Mark Hung
Hi, I've reported tdf#90386 last year, which was about IE8 didn't render embedded LibreOffice properly. A valid use case is to read the uploaded documents on SharePoint server in intranet. Eventually it obsoletes, but I prefer to consider this when facing some directly related event. ( i.e EOL

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2015-12-30 Thread Chris Sherlock
I’m all for this. Chris > On 31 Dec 2015, at 7:02 AM, Bryan Quigley wrote: > > Hi there, > > Recently it was decided to remove the rest of NPAPI support [1] which > got me thinking about the other Windows specific plugin tech - > ActiveX. > > It seems ActiveX is very much

Re: Remove ActiveX from LibreOffice

2015-12-30 Thread Chris Sherlock
In a word: mantainence. ActiveX is a failed idea by Microsoft, and in fact there is always a burden in maintaining things that aren't seen as at all useful or even desirable. We removed plugins for a similar reason. Chris On Thursday, December 31, 2015, Mark Hung wrote: >