[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 100908] Typing with Ctrl+Alt+? for ALTGR toggle does not work

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--- Comment #12 from Aron Budea  ---
*** Bug 113741 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 100908] Typing with Ctrl+Alt+? for ALTGR toggle does not work

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*** Bug 118400 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 100908] Typing with Ctrl+Alt+? for ALTGR toggle does not work

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   ||regression
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |FIXED
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--- Comment #11 from Aron Budea  ---
This issue was fixed in 6.0.0 by reverting the commit in bug 95761.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 100908] Typing with Ctrl+Alt+? for ALTGR toggle does not work

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--- Comment #10 from Andreas  ---
The issue her hasn't been solved yet.
Bug https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95761 addresses a
different issue. By now (LibO 5.2.6.2) assignemts to  do work as far
as the settings in the "Customise keyboard" dialog are concerned. But the
standard Microsoft Windows assignments to  still don't work.

(Of course it is possible to create a work-around by writing a macro and
assigning it to a specific key combination in the "Customise keyboard" dialog.
But what about users who are not used to the macro writing functionality of
LibO? And what about the look and feel of LibO with the standard Windows
 behaviour not working in Writer?)

Please, don't forget this issue!

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 100908] Typing with Ctrl+Alt+? for ALTGR toggle does not work

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98259
[Bug 98259] [META] Keyboard shortcuts and accelerators bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 100908] Typing with Ctrl+Alt+? for ALTGR toggle does not work

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107244
[Bug 107244] [META] Ctrl+Alt (aka AltGR) keyboard shortcut issues
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 100908] Typing with Ctrl+Alt+? for ALTGR toggle does not work

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--- Comment #9 from Regina Henschel  ---
The changed behavior was introduced with the fix for bug 95761.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 100908] Typing with Ctrl+Alt+? for ALTGR toggle does not work

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--- Comment #8 from Regina Henschel  ---
It is common to use Ctrl + Alt instead of AltGr. It has worked it Version:
5.0.0.0.alpha1+
Build ID: e9fbe1f7cd28de2a9da8089d89e903406165eb56
TinderBox: Win-x86@62-merge-TDF, Branch:MASTER, Time: 2015-04-25_00:22:55
Locale: de_DE

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 100908] Typing with Ctrl+Alt+? for ALTGR toggle does not work

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--- Comment #7 from V Stuart Foote  ---
*** Bug 105990 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 100908] Typing with Ctrl+Alt+? for ALTGR toggle does not work

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--- Comment #6 from Andreas  ---
I am able to confirm the bug. At least since LibreOffice 4.0.6.3, and now still
in version 5.2.1.2 (like in version 5.1.2.2, 5.1.3.2, 5.1.4.2, 5.2.0.4) in
Writer shortcuts with  (e. g. the "@" which is part of the "q" key
on my german QWERTZ keyboard) don't work though they do when using . In
Calc  works fine.

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--- Comment #5 from Bjorn Muller  ---
I can´t follow this discussion, but it seems my bug report has at least
initiated a discussion among you pros. At this point I wonder if I should throw
my keyboard (with PC attached) away or is there a chance that the problem will
be resolved anytime reasonably soon? Your best guess, without making promises,
please!

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--- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Aron Budea from comment #3)

> In Windows Ctrl+Alt combination is an alternative to AltGr key. A lot of
> similar issues seem to be caused by the workarounds to make Ctrl+Alt
> shortcut modifier work, and behave the same regardless whether there's right
> Alt or AltGr.
> 

Sure, but question might be if our LO logic assigning VK_RMENU as either
KEYMOD_RMOD2 or MOD1+MOD2+? (using the LMOD2) is really functioning as the
ALTGr on all keyboard mappings that use it--and is there a better way of
controlling the behavior.

Sorry to say, I get lost trying to follow interplay of
vcl/win/window/salframe.cxx, include/vcl/keycod.hxx, and the definition at
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/include/vcl/keycodes.hxx#155 -- to my
poor ability to follow along, it kind of seems like the definition for
MODKEY_MOD2 might need the same test and split of KEYMOD_LMOD2 & KEYMOD_RMOD2
as VK_LMENU & VK_RMENU got for use as ALTGr for bug 95761.

Expect Jürgen, Justin and Caolán can sort this for more consistent behavior
without much fuss, hope so.

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--- Comment #3 from Aron Budea  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #1)
> What Windows standard? Many of our issues with accelerators and shortcuts
> come from Microsoft's moving target. And of course OS localization issues as
> here. And in any case we would still have to handle the keycodes internal to
> LibreOffice for either user choice.

In Windows Ctrl+Alt combination is an alternative to AltGr key. A lot of
similar issues seem to be caused by the workarounds to make Ctrl+Alt shortcut
modifier work, and behave the same regardless whether there's right Alt or
AltGr.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key#Control_.2B_Alt_as_a_substitute
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040329-00/?p=40003

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--- Comment #2 from Bjorn Muller  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #1)
> > 
> > A general comment on keyboard shortcuts. I have noticed that some people are
> > annoyed over conflicts between Windows keyboard shortcuts and the
> > LibreOffice ones. Since there is an option to change keyboard shortcuts, why
> > not add another option - to use Windows standard as alternative to a
> > LibreOffice alternative. Let the user decide what suits him best.
> 
> What Windows standard? Many of our issues with accelerators and shortcuts
> come from Microsoft's moving target. And of course OS localization issues as
> here. And in any case we would still have to handle the keycodes internal to
> LibreOffice for either user choice.

I am just a common user and not familiar with the details of what you refer to.
While looking for solutions to my problem, I noticed
1. that a number of Writer shortcuts are preaassigned to certain key
combinations, 2. that many key combinations don´t have any preassigned
shortcuts and 3. that in any case you can freely assign other functions to any
key combination, but then you only have a choice of prelisted Writer functions.
My point is, that if e.g. Ctrl+Alt+2 produces a @ character on my Swedish
keyboard layout (which is what Windows normally does), then why shouldn´t I be
able to choose to have the @ typed in my Writer document, even if it cannot be
ruled out, that another user in another environment, who would choose to do the
same, might find that Windows produces a different, more troublesome result?
That is the beauty of free choice, none else needs to follow, if the result is
bad for him.

However, this is just a side line. My main point is still why typing with
Ctrl+Alt+? doesn´t work in Writer when it does work with all other LibreOffice
applications.

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   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=95
   ||761
 Blocks||98259
Summary|Typing with Ctrl+Alt+? does |Typing with Ctrl+Alt+? for
   |not work|ALTGR toggle does not work

--- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote  ---
> 
> A general comment on keyboard shortcuts. I have noticed that some people are
> annoyed over conflicts between Windows keyboard shortcuts and the
> LibreOffice ones. Since there is an option to change keyboard shortcuts, why
> not add another option - to use Windows standard as alternative to a
> LibreOffice alternative. Let the user decide what suits him best.

What Windows standard? Many of our issues with accelerators and shortcuts come
from Microsoft's moving target. And of course OS localization issues as here.
And in any case we would still have to handle the keycodes internal to
LibreOffice for either user choice.


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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98259
[Bug 98259] [META] Keyboard shortcuts (accelerators)
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