[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 103694] Rename file without having to save again as a new file

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--- Comment #19 from non.spac...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to m.a.riosv from comment #18)
> *** Bug 157066 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

The problem does not seem to have been "solved" from the time of this older bug
report??

I just checked "The proposed solution is to make File > Properties > General >
Filename editable. "

And in Properties >General there is no option to make "Filename editable"???

It's a cumbersome state of affairs as it is in LO writer to this day.  "Rename
file" does not seem to "rename" the old file but "saves as" to a file that is
then not opened or receives edits???  Even with "save as" at least the new doc
is opened and edits are made in it, etc.

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--- Comment #18 from m.a.riosv  ---
*** Bug 157066 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #17 from Heiko Tietze  ---
We discussed this topic in the design meeting. While file management operation
shouldn't be in the program it's a different situation if mac users are used to
it. 

What do you think, Tor? Does it make sense, is it feasible to implement (mac
only, perhaps)=

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--- Comment #16 from espinosa_cz  ---
@Cor Nouws: no one forces you to use it. It is completely optional. I am
completely happy to inactive by default, like many other tools from the
toolbars. I wold be happy to have it as a separate extension. 

File name is effectively a property of a document. And as such it is perfectly
in sphere of Office suite functionality.

Making someone's life easier should take precedence over subjectively perceived
software "purity". 

I don't consider this functionality to be big hydrance on LO development
resources either, otherwise I would bother them with it. I fully acknowledge
that this functionality is a niche one and therefore low priority.

By the way, how is it done in the Online version of LO?

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--- Comment #15 from Cor Nouws  ---
I don't think implementing this file manager feature is a wise thing. What more
to come..

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--- Comment #13 from espinosa_cz  ---
> Simple solution: close -> rename -> reopen. And remember the current position.

That was my implementation assumption too.
If you deem it too complicated, I would have perhaps a simpler idea: "deferred
renaming".
The actual, physical renaming would be done after user closes the document. 
At least on platforms not supporting opened file renaming, like Windows.

LO just need to display modified "Save changes to document" dialog informing
that rename is going to happen and user can still have option to cancel and not
go through.

Also on the UI level the name should be displayed in a different font color
indicating that the physical rename hasn't happened yet. 

I know, it's not ideal, but for most user, like me, it would still make my work
much easier. I have lost of documents and I like consistent naming which is
difficult to achieve, because you have to first, open the file and to see the
content, to decide on the name, but you cannot, because it is open.

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--- Comment #12 from m.a.riosv  ---
*** Bug 127121 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #11 from Brock McNuggets  ---
This is a feature common to macOS. For that platform I absolutely agree it
should be implemented -- to not makes it a non-standard program and can lead to
confusion.

For Linux and Windows this is not a standard feature. Yes, it would be a
benefit if those environments gained this but to add it to LibreOffice alone
would not do much, few would use it.

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--- Comment #10 from m.a.riosv  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #9)

> Simple solution: close -> rename -> reopen. And remember the current
> position.
I know, more than thirty years doing so, and that's the way to keep the file
properties on the system, but I think it can't be implement inside LibreOffice
without close the file at some point.

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--- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to m.a.riosv from comment #8)
> Maybe Mac OSX manage it at OS level, but if I'm not wrong on windows change
> the name of an open file, wich it's the case, it's no possible.
> https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Rename-a-file-baea7aab-760b-4ee0-
> af58-06e940d505a4

Simple solution: close -> rename -> reopen. And remember the current position.

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--- Comment #8 from m.a.riosv  ---
Maybe Mac OSX manage it at OS level, but if I'm not wrong on windows change the
name of an open file, wich it's the case, it's no possible.
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Rename-a-file-baea7aab-760b-4ee0-af58-06e940d505a4

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--- Comment #7 from Heiko Tietze  ---
The idea received positive resonance in the UX meeting. The proposed solution
is to make File > Properties > General > Filename editable. 

We should be aware of alien files such as PDF or Doc opened in Writer or XLS in
Calc, SVG in Draw. It's questionable to rename those files as well. The
filename input could be disabled when save is disabled.

(moving component from framework to UI)

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--- Comment #6 from Alex Thurgood  ---
Confirming.

On Mac OSX, it is an option that appears to be systematically available to the
user in all of Apple's apps (Keynote, Pages, Numbers, PDFViewer, etc). However,
not in open source apps.

FWIW, Apple seems to manage pretty well with renaming files mid-edit by
changing the file name in the title bar...

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--- Comment #5 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Galo Aguirre from comment #4)
> 'safety relevant function'

You deal with the file itself moving it to trash (aka delete) finally. If
something goes wrong everything will be lost. That's safety relevant in
contrast to changing the title for instance. 
Keep also in mind that files may be on connected network drives or accessed via
CMIS.

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--- Comment #4 from Galo Aguirre  ---
(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)
> Disagree as well to add OS functionality to the program. While online tools
> such as Google Documents do not have a file manager it's a different
> situation on the desktop. Besides this would be a safety relevant function
> as the old file has to be deleted on rename.
> 
> Vote for WONTFIX.

'safety relevant function'

Don't understand.

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--- Comment #3 from Galo Aguirre  ---
(In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #1)
> I think it is not a very good idea to add OS & File Manager functions in an
> Office software.
> How many times you have to do that ?
> 
> Best regards. JBF

Isn't opening a file, saving a file... aren't those technically OS functions as
well. The program doesn't do those itself I assume, just passes the command to
the OS layer, no?

It would just pass a further command of deleting the old file. I dunno.

Kinda do it all the time, save the file as untitled, then go back and change
the name, heheh.

Warm wishes,

Galo

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--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Disagree as well to add OS functionality to the program. While online tools
such as Google Documents do not have a file manager it's a different situation
on the desktop. Besides this would be a safety relevant function as the old
file has to be deleted on rename.

Vote for WONTFIX.

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--- Comment #1 from Jean-Baptiste Faure  ---
I think it is not a very good idea to add OS & File Manager functions in an
Office software.
How many times you have to do that ?

Best regards. JBF

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