[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #41 from Michael Meeks --- Hi François, In reply to François: > In reply to Michael Meeks from comment #38) > > Is it 'supported' ? depends what you mean by support. > > By "supported", I meant "people are working on it, trying to make things > better, fixing bugs, just like you'd do for others platforms such as > Windows or Linux". Surely there are people who care to fix Mac specific issues particularly, but they are very few: if Tor is working elsewhere life is bad - it is/was particularly encouraging to see Leo showing up to do good things in this ticket. > Also I've never said I'm not willing to pay. I literally asked for a quote :) Problem is estimation is extremely expensive; a ballpark in the handful of thousands of Euros is reasonable for most non-horrific LibreOffice bugs. Most individuals can't afford that unfortunately, so we have to aggregate donations, purchases somehow via TDF or app-stores. >> Anyhow - mercifully - due to Apple app-store sales Collabora can fix some >> issues as they arise, but we've been focusing on native M1 support for a >> while. > > That's good to know and fits exactly in what I meant by "supported". Of course, the speed of development is heavily limited by available resources - but there is hope that we'll improve here; bugs with lots of independent reporters are particularly interesting. Thanks. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #40 from François --- (In reply to Michael Meeks from comment #38) > > Wow. I think this really **REQUIRES** an official clarification. Is LO > > supported on macOS or is it just a pet project, working "by luck", that > > could be left behind anytime ? > > Is it 'supported' ? depends what you mean by support. You can get a support > contract for your use of LibreOffice on Mac from the ecosystem, and then you > can ask for support. One of the serious problems we have is that almost > no-one bothers to purchase such support - and, as such, it is incredibly > hard to fund fixing things like this. By "supported", I meant "people are working on it, trying to make things better, fixing bugs, just like you'd do for others platforms such as Windows or Linux". > > Some people and companies rely on it. It has to be made clear and sound. > > If you are relying on something that you're not contributing to either > directly yourself, or via paid support - you clearly have a problem. Well, I mostly disagree with this. Supporting a free software doesn't only mean giving money. Making companies adopt it also makes it more popular and widespread. I think it also helps a lot. Also I've never said I'm not willing to pay. I literally asked for a quote :) > > For what's worth, I got no precise answer to my previous question (what > > would be the cost to get this fixed ?) > > Well, there is a significant improvement in bug#137468 which is linked, > that's good - and will ship in a subsequent update I guess. Otherwise, in > general fixing an arbitrary problem in LibreOffice costs from $10^3 to $10^5 > with a median around $5k. Normally way beyond what any one individual can > afford - which is why getting the economics of this thought through > carefully is so important. > > Anyhow - mercifully - due to Apple app-store sales Collabora can fix some > issues as they arise, but we've been focusing on native M1 support for a > while. That's good to know and fits exactly in what I meant by "supported". Thanks for these clarifications, very much appreciated. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #39 from François --- @Telesto : thank you for your answer, I really appreciate it (and the tone). My experience is still kind of weird regarding this. A few weeks ago, I've been in touch with I-don't-remember-exactly-who at Collabora. Basically, I've been told that fixing this would cost (at least) a L3 ticket which is 14 000 €... (which gives you Office 365 for ages) and that SMBs generally can't afford it (yes, sure) and that was basically the end of the discussion :-/ I don't mind "selling" the "Collabora for SMB" ticket (17€/user/year). To be 100% honest, that's something I'm trying to do almost every day and it makes sense. But I've never been able to try "Collabora Online" nor "Collabora Office" : the provided links just don't work :-( So, while I strongly understand that it's hard to fund things, it's also hard to sell something that works with poor performances, and where you just can't get things fixed because it costs too much :-/ Can we find a way to make everyone happy here ? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #38 from Michael Meeks --- > Wow. I think this really **REQUIRES** an official clarification. Is LO > supported on macOS or is it just a pet project, working "by luck", that > could be left behind anytime ? Is it 'supported' ? depends what you mean by support. You can get a support contract for your use of LibreOffice on Mac from the ecosystem, and then you can ask for support. One of the serious problems we have is that almost no-one bothers to purchase such support - and, as such, it is incredibly hard to fund fixing things like this. > Some people and companies rely on it. It has to be made clear and sound. If you are relying on something that you're not contributing to either directly yourself, or via paid support - you clearly have a problem. > For what's worth, I got no precise answer to my previous question (what > would be the cost to get this fixed ?) Well, there is a significant improvement in bug#137468 which is linked, that's good - and will ship in a subsequent update I guess. Otherwise, in general fixing an arbitrary problem in LibreOffice costs from $10^3 to $10^5 with a median around $5k. Normally way beyond what any one individual can afford - which is why getting the economics of this thought through carefully is so important. Anyhow - mercifully - due to Apple app-store sales Collabora can fix some issues as they arise, but we've been focusing on native M1 support for a while. HTH. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #37 from Telesto --- (In reply to Tor Lillqvist from comment #36) > One thing I can say, sitting in my home office, is that Telesto certainly > does not speak for anybody but himself. But neither do I. I should have added that in advance. I'm speaking on my personal account as volunteer. No (formal or informal) representative in any way. (In reply to François from comment #35) > (In reply to Telesto from comment #24) > > And about developers; MacOS edition is a kind of a side-project. Virtually > > no-one is working on it. It's a quasi port of the Linux/Windows edition. > > Wow. I think this really **REQUIRES** an official clarification. Is LO > supported on macOS or is it just a pet project, working "by luck", that > could be left behind anytime ? And tend to slightly nuance things. Sometimes people step in to solve something. And macOS edition passed Jenskins. So developers need to take macOS into account. So not that it's really unsupported.. However macOS specific bugs kind of a thing (if you ask me). And there is Apple Silicon support! So in that sense future proof. However macOS doesn't get the attention it ideally deserves.. Kind of niche. (Same thing for Base) If every mac user which can already afford a mac, would take the paid (commercial) edition from a eco-system partner, this might improve things. Getting more interesting commercially with a real (paying) user base. And also a pressure to take care Again on my own account as volunteer. Not affiliated with the eco-system partner - which I'm 'silently' advertising - nor speaking for TDF. The may hold another opinion. Topic about economics, politics, ethics, values, ideals and so on. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #36 from Tor Lillqvist --- One thing I can say, sitting in my home office, is that Telesto certainly does not speak for anybody but himself. But neither do I. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #35 from François --- (In reply to Telesto from comment #24) > And about developers; MacOS edition is a kind of a side-project. Virtually > no-one is working on it. It's a quasi port of the Linux/Windows edition. Wow. I think this really **REQUIRES** an official clarification. Is LO supported on macOS or is it just a pet project, working "by luck", that could be left behind anytime ? Some people and companies rely on it. It has to be made clear and sound. For what's worth, I got no precise answer to my previous question (what would be the cost to get this fixed ?) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 Telesto changed: What|Removed |Added Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE --- Comment #34 from Telesto --- (In reply to Xisco Faulí from comment #32) > Hi Telesto, > is this issue fixed after > https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/ > ?id=87964eb39e2668f80bcbf503d9a3b55a7f86ce28 ? Mostly.. And prefer a new bug report anyhow; comment 31 has nice practical measure of performance. *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 137468 *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 Xisco Faulí changed: What|Removed |Added CC||i...@snowflake.as --- Comment #33 from Xisco Faulí --- *** Bug 137646 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #32 from Xisco Faulí --- Hi Telesto, is this issue fixed after https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=87964eb39e2668f80bcbf503d9a3b55a7f86ce28 ? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #31 from Martin Jungowski --- I can confirm that the difference betweem 7.0.3 and 7.1.0_dev feels like night and day. Using Leo Wang's 1.c program for counting CoreGraphics FPS referenced in the other bug I get the following results: Scrolling through a blank 3-page Writer document: 7.0.3: 2-5.5 fps 7.1.0: 7-9 fps Scrolling through a large Calc spreadsheet with hundreds of formulas and thousands of cells with values: 7.0.3: 2-4 fps 7.1.0: 9-12 fps It is nowhere near as smooth as Office 365 yet as I get consistently between 20-35 fps scrolling through a blank 3-page Word document or scrolling through that same spreadsheet in Excel but it is definitely much more usable than before. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 Telesto changed: What|Removed |Added CC||tele...@surfxs.nl --- Comment #30 from Telesto --- There has been a change lately; see bug 137468 This should prove things A master daily including the fix is available here https://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/current.html Please test & give feedback -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 Telesto changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13 ||7468 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #29 from ben.munro2...@gmail.com --- I'm just a regular user who happened to stumble upon this thread, so excuse the completely unhelpful comment, but fixing this would be amazing to me. I still have to use Word on my Mac even though I use LO on my PC. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #28 from Alex Thurgood --- (In reply to Telesto from comment #27) > @Alex > Do you still have/ build LibreOffice MacOS builds symbol? For running the > instrument Time profile? > I still build with symbols, but it is unusable on the build machine which is suffering from the usual progressive slow down through multiple Apple system updates. Simply opening any app, or even the Finder takes forever, I wouldn't even dream of starting instruments on a symbols enabled build, I could go away for a week and it would still be churning away... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104
--- Comment #27 from Telesto ---
@Alex
Do you still have/ build LibreOffice MacOS builds symbol? For running the
instrument Time profile?
(In reply to Michael Meeks from comment #26)
> Anyone else willing to run the instrumentation & look into the profile a bit
> more - much appreciated. I would suggest that DrawAfterScroll is just bogus:
>
> source/ui/view/gridwin3.cxx:void ScGridWindow::DrawAfterScroll()
> source/ui/view/gridwin3.cxx-{
> source/ui/view/gridwin3.cxx-PaintImmediately(); // always, so the
> behaviour with and without DrawingLayer is the same
> source/ui/view/gridwin3.cxx-
>
> Looks very dodgy to me - if you're compiling; no-op. that method, or just
> call Window::Invalidate() instead on Mac and see if it fixes it.
>
> Would love to know where the other 50% is though =)
>
> Thanks !
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--- Comment #26 from Michael Meeks ---
Telesto - thanks for the profile - is there any more to the profile ? I'd love
to see lower down - and also where the other 50% of the CPU goes (only half of
it goes down that path).
It -looks- as if we're trying to do a synchronous screen update via some
ancient code-path, when we should really do an idle refresh - outside of the
event processing, so that we can skip frames if we can't keep up rather than
re-rendering on each one. I suspect there is a 2x from rendering each frame
twice there too.
Anyone else willing to run the instrumentation & look into the profile a bit
more - much appreciated. I would suggest that DrawAfterScroll is just bogus:
source/ui/view/gridwin3.cxx:void ScGridWindow::DrawAfterScroll()
source/ui/view/gridwin3.cxx-{
source/ui/view/gridwin3.cxx-PaintImmediately(); // always, so the behaviour
with and without DrawingLayer is the same
source/ui/view/gridwin3.cxx-
Looks very dodgy to me - if you're compiling; no-op. that method, or just call
Window::Invalidate() instead on Mac and see if it fixes it.
Would love to know where the other 50% is though =)
Thanks !
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #25 from Martin Jungowski --- (In reply to Telesto from comment #24) > Is this not a a profile corruption or so? (I'm not aware of many perf > complains lately). And it does work normal on my old Macbook air with they > good old Sierra. No, it's not. We've established that many moons ago ;-) And yes, of course it works great on an old MacBook Air because the problem only arises on high-resolution Retina displays, not on low-resolution standard displays where LibreOffice continues to run perfectly fine and smooth. Unfortunately, Apple stopped selling low-resolution low-DPI iMacs in 2013, low-resolution low-DPI MacBook Pros in 2012, and low-resolution low-DPI MacBook Airs in 2018. Their last product with a low-resolution low-DPI display, the 2017 MacBook Air, was discontinued with the introduction of the 2018 Retina MacBook Air more than two years ago. > And about developers; MacOS edition is a kind of a side-project. Virtually > no-one is working on it. It's a quasi port of the Linux/Windows edition. > There is no Skia support on MacOS; yet. If it will happen is matter > investment decisions. I was afraid of that, thank you for confirming. This basically means that LibreOffice for macOS is dead since it's completely and utterly unusable on every Mac sold since 2018, and most Macs sold since 2012. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #24 from Telesto --- (In reply to Martin Jungowski from comment #23) > I can hardly believe what I am about to say, but it has become even WORSE > with LibreOffice 7. How is that even possible? How did the developers manage > to take something that was horribly broken in the first place, and then > proceed to make it even worse? Is this not a a profile corruption or so? (I'm not aware of many perf complains lately). And it does work normal on my old Macbook air with they good old Sierra. And about developers; MacOS edition is a kind of a side-project. Virtually no-one is working on it. It's a quasi port of the Linux/Windows edition. > Also, what happened to Skia support on macOS? I can't find any way to force > it, the release notes make no mention of it (only Windows and Linux), and > the entire UI just grinds to a screeching halt as soon as I attempt to, you > know, use it. There is no Skia support on MacOS; yet. If it will happen is matter investment decisions. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #23 from Martin Jungowski --- I can hardly believe what I am about to say, but it has become even WORSE with LibreOffice 7. How is that even possible? How did the developers manage to take something that was horribly broken in the first place, and then proceed to make it even worse? Also, what happened to Skia support on macOS? I can't find any way to force it, the release notes make no mention of it (only Windows and Linux), and the entire UI just grinds to a screeching halt as soon as I attempt to, you know, use it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 Telesto changed: What|Removed |Added CC||michael.me...@collabora.com --- Comment #22 from Telesto --- @Michael Meeks (In reply to François from comment #21) > Hi, > > How much would it cost to get this fixed ? > > I've a bunch of customers that **might** be willing to pay to be able to > work comfortably with LO and macOS. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #21 from François --- Hi, How much would it cost to get this fixed ? I've a bunch of customers that **might** be willing to pay to be able to work comfortably with LO and macOS. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #20 from vincent.grenne...@free.fr --- Important information : this bug never existed on OpenOffice. You can verify this by trying OpenOffice 4.1.7. Sadly OpenOffice project is stalled and I switched last year to LO because of all the new functionalities. It is strange that since LO is a fork from OO, it should share most of the user interface. Something major have been changed by LO developers when they forked and sadly they have ruined LO when used in OSX. SOMETHING MUST BE DONE !!! Why is OpenOffice scrolling smoothly with no CPU usage and not LibreOffice ???!!! Vince. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #19 from David --- Is this big being addressed? As already mentioned, LO (both Writer and Calc) is unusable on a Retina Mac. I tried 6.x.x so far an all have abysmal scrolling performance. The only computer I can use LO is my mother's 2011 iMac with non-Retina display. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 Alex Thurgood changed: What|Removed |Added CC||dam...@brightfall.com --- Comment #18 from Alex Thurgood --- *** Bug 124968 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #17 from Telesto --- (In reply to Alex Thurgood from comment #16) > You can already get at least a text based output that gives time spent for > each call by using the sampler from either Instruments, or the sampler from > Tools > Activity Monitor, although I'm not sure whether they use the same > underlying tool. Perf isn't needed. The Flame Graph can be created from the MacOS DTrace and Instruments profile (http://www.brendangregg.com/flamegraphs.html). Haven't tested it myself, yet.. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #16 from Alex Thurgood --- (In reply to Telesto from comment #15) > @Alex > The new approach/hype for performance visualization are FlameGraph's SVG's. > Can be shared easily and are quite informative. See bug 118822 comment 5 - 8 > some info how to create them (Linux). Same can be done on MacOS too, i > guess. Didn't dive into it, yet.. But could be helpful IMHO Hi Telesto, You can already get at least a text based output that gives time spent for each call by using the sampler from either Instruments, or the sampler from Tools > Activity Monitor, although I'm not sure whether they use the same underlying tool. As perf is a Linux call tool, I'm unsure as to how that would be installed on a macOS system, unless via homebrew ? As I've found that homebrew tends to pollute the rest of my environment when I have used it in the past, I have not installed it for a while and tend to shy away from it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 Telesto changed: What|Removed |Added CC||ipla...@tuta.io --- Comment #15 from Telesto --- @Alex The new approach/hype for performance visualization are FlameGraph's SVG's. Can be shared easily and are quite informative. See bug 118822 comment 5 - 8 some info how to create them (Linux). Same can be done on MacOS too, i guess. Didn't dive into it, yet.. But could be helpful IMHO -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #14 from Alex Thurgood --- (In reply to Martin Jungowski from comment #7) > This has been going on for YEARS now. I can't tell how long for sure but > definitely since the early days of LibreOffice somewhere around Version 4.x. > LibreOffice under macOS is unusable on every Mac released after 2012, > because that is when Apple introduced their high-resolution Retina display. I can only concur. FWIW, for anything Draw related, I have kept LO4162, where performance remains acceptable on my MacbookPro Retina 2013 (16Mb RAM). One shouldn't have to workaround the issues in this way though. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #13 from laur...@norbit.no --- I concur - this is a real deal-breaker for using LO in a work environment. The experience is so bad that I am more productive when I boot into a Windows VM and use Office 365 compared to using LO natively on my Macbook Pro 2018. I have used LO since the StarOffice 6.0 days and as a business owner I want to use LO, but the performance has gotten terrible on modern machines. This has nothing to do with profile settings - I have tried every combination of settings... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #12 from Fabio --- With version 6.2 the bug has not been fixed. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 Aron Budea changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||90796 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90796 [Bug 90796] [META] HiDPI / Retina bugs -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 Telesto changed: What|Removed |Added OS|All |Mac OS X (All) CC||t...@iki.fi --- Comment #11 from Telesto --- @Tor FWIW: the (scrolling) performance of LibreOffice on Retina screen (comment 6-10) appears to be laggy. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 --- Comment #10 from mitja --- I agree with the comments before. Using LibreOffice on macOS and retina displays is terribly slow. Consumes large amount of CPU, hardware acceleration is greyed out, etc. It is actually not possible to do a normal work on a 5K display, even though you have a new iMac. Please, take this "bug" seriously and put a priority on it. I'm currently using LO 6.1.5 on iMac 5K. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 Alex Thurgood changed: What|Removed |Added CC||noicerea...@gmail.com --- Comment #9 from Alex Thurgood --- *** Bug 120545 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 113104] MacOS: CPU utilization while scrolling through a plain text document is around 90% on Retina HiDPI screens
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113104 Alex Thurgood changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|MacOS: CPU utilization |MacOS: CPU utilization |while scrolling through a |while scrolling through a |plain text document is |plain text document is |around 90% |around 90% on Retina HiDPI ||screens -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
