[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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--- Comment #30 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Patch at https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/c/core/+/99957 introduces a new tip of
the day and the ability to start a UNO command. This command shows a dialog
where the UI variants can be picked- much like the menu but without the need to
go through the structure and with a preview including a short description. I
suggest to remove the User Interface > * menu and show this User Interface...
instead.

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--- Comment #29 from John Mills  ---
Hi jan d,

Just on your statement:

>For me it hinges a bit on who is the target group for LO. If it is people who 
>are about open source software: Options and showing community efforts are 
>great.

> But if we assume we compete more with software for office workers who 
> otherwise use MSO or SoftMaker or WPS… Then I would go with the UX principle 
> of choosing a decent default options – since most people leave it as it is. 


The LibreOffice Next Decade manifesto:

https://www.documentfoundation.org/assets/Documents/tdf-manifesto.pdf

The very first point:

WE COMMIT OURSELVES:

'To eliminate the digital divide in society by giving everyone access to office
productivity tools free of charge to enable them to participate as full
citizens in the 21st century'

I don't see any other way that other than LibreOffice is targeted at typical
users of office software. No where in that manifesto can I see it saying that
this is targeted at open source 'activists' first. 

The wonderful thing about LibreOffice and FLOSS software in particular is that
is a great equalizer. From the poorest to richest the our rights are the same.
The document foundation provide a fantastic Office suite that respects user
freedoms and empowers them. 

That is critical, anything that enables this and encourages more users to break
away from proprietary software should be encouraged. I think a providing a user
interface similar to what > 90% of users interact with can only be a positive
step, it's a great starting point.

Note also the first value rejected.

'The ownership of office productivity tools by monopoly suppliers which imposes
a de-facto tax on global electronic free speech and penalises the economically
disadvantaged.'

LibreOffice competes for the poorest users against 'pirated' versions of
Microsoft Office. When a user has no inclination that something free
(libre/gratis)exists that respects them they become a prisoner. It is
insidious. 

Anyway I apologise if off topic, but I just wanted to make clear who could
benefit by this decision.

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--- Comment #28 from jan d  ---
For me it hinges a bit on who is the target group for LO. If it is people who
are about open source software: Options and showing community efforts are
great. 

But if we assume we compete more with software for office workers who otherwise
use MSO or SoftMaker or WPS… Then I would go with the UX principle of choosing
a decent default options – since most people leave it as it is. 

If we decide that we need a selection, it should make clear what you get with
each option. SoftMakers select dialog is rather helpful here, as it shows two
screenshots for the menu and the ribbon-style UI, making the actions and its
results follow a principle of least surprise.

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--- Comment #27 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Grudgingly I recast position to +1, as alternative to changing default UI from
'Toolbar, Menu & Dialog' to one of the GLADE based MUFFIN Notebook Bar
assemblages.

As noted, the picker dialog per module would likely be light on detail--i.e.
TotD. Interested to see what Hieko mocks up. But the heavy lifting on MUFFIN
Notebook Bar documentation remains to be done.


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=80430
[Bug 80430] [META] Documentation gap for new features
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--- Comment #26 from BogdanB  ---
+1 to have a dialog when first install of a new version of LibreOffice, like in
Ubuntu Mate (see comment 21). It's much easy for a beginner to choose from
there. Also there should be a message if you close this window you could change
this user interface from: Options - so on...

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--- Comment #25 from andreas_k  ---
I don't want to open the discussion again. 

Notebookbar implementations are part of the LibreOffice Community and design
work, so I'm pro show it to the users. In addition after years of hide the
notebookbar layouts behind an easy to use dropdown menu, no developer was found
it's ok to push it more in front of the user and maybe we found an developer.

+1 to have an initial dialog for choose.

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--- Comment #24 from John Mills  ---
@Heiko, thank you. As a very committed user and advocate of LibreOffice I
sincerely believe that this option will aid in the adoption of LibreOffice. In
my anecdotal experiences the number one complaint I hear about the office suite
is the dated nature of the interface. 

Providing an initial dialogue for the already available interfaces will help
those inexperienced users considerably. That is positive and a user focused
feature to be commended. 

This dialogue really would be useful and help highlight the amazing features of
LibreOffice that are likely never explored. You are also empowering your users.
This is considerably more useful than a daily tip. And remember it is a once
only dialogue (on initial start) and would also explain that the user could
change to another interface if they weren't satisfied. I would envision this
working like in the screenshot of Ubuntu MATE attached to this bug.

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--- Comment #23 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Feel free to reopen and discuss - absolutely welcome- but please don't add UX
keyword again after a decision has been done. It's rather contra-productive to
have the keyword since it means this request needs to be discussed. And in my
opinion we should keep the number of open discussions as low as possible.

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--- Comment #22 from John Mills  ---
Created attachment 161759
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Softmaker Office User Interface dialogue

Softmaker Office User Interface dialogue choice

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Interface layout Ubuntu MATA

Interface Layout Ubuntu MATE

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--- Comment #20 from John Mills  ---
Hello all,

I would respectively disagree with Heiko Tietze on this point, I think the most
important thing that developers can do is make their users feel comfortable
with the software as presented.

LibreOffice ships with an interface currently that is very functional but not
intuitive to Microsoft Office users that have been to school or university in
the last 13 years. Also for business users which by all accounts has greater
than 90% of the office suite market worldwide.

Please understand that this is not an attack on the current interface in anyway
but simply provides a method to highlight the wonderful features found in
LibreOffice. You are empowering your users by providing information to them to
make an informed decision and this is a positive thing.


An example where this has been done well and is in the end users benefit is
with Ubuntu MATE. The first run wizard highlights features and allows the end
user to make an informed choice on their interface paradigm. I am attaching a
screenshot on how this could possible work.

https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-focal-fossa-release-notes/

Softmaker office provides a good dialogue for choice. It would be helpful to to
the same.

https://www.softmaker.com/en/blog/softmaker-office/softmaker-office-2018-whats-new-part-1
(Also screenshot attached)

Something similar also exists in Kingsoft office.

By allowing this initial selection on first run you would also gain telemetry
information on user choice allowing you to concentrate your development efforts
on the most popular interface. 

Thank you and very best regards,

John Mills

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--- Comment #19 from Pedro  ---
As I mentioned. I am also in favor of this besides Rizal.
So it is 2 against 2. Furthermore, it's bad to decide about closing bugs in
meetings that not everyone can attend.

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--- Comment #18 from Heiko Tietze  ---
* 2x con, 1x pro so far

* if we introduce another NB, ideally per extension, it won't show up on this
welcome dialog
* the UI choice is the least important for new users
* if we need to advertise per image we should consider a tab in tools > options
> view (and remove the menu option) plus have thumbnails with the envisioned
extensions

Resolving as WF.

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Sorry, looks like the UX-advise ML was not added back when reopened.

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--- Comment #16 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Rizal Muttaqin from comment #15)

> From what I see in many comments/discussions in many places in the Internet,
> many people does not aware this options while they complains no Ribbon UI in
> LibO.
> 

Please, we do not have a Ribbon UI and we never will, we have MUFFIN and one of
its features is the 'Notebook Bar' in one of its UI implementations. And we
expect/hope to additional MUFFIN function -- notably tabbed documents (bug
33173) and a multi-document interface (MDI) (bug 37134), with our existing "New
Window" multi-window document view getting some love, and a mode for better
side-by-side.

> 
> Honestly I dont get it what is the point of maintanaibility, we can say
> harshly many LibO elements are not maintained. We can count broken function
> here and there and no dev has interest to fix them (see G Drive for example
> which many user expected to use or HTML export from Impress/Draw that nobody
> use).
> 

That is part of my concern, features get taken to a certain point and
development stalls, or the feature just rots away--e.g. review the history for
the 'Navigation Toolbar' (bug 115817 - GSoC 2009). Or the 'Visual Editor' mode
of the sm Math module (bug 88744 - GSoC 2010).  How would you write internal UI
to guide a user to configure those features?

> This dialog would be a more added value to tell user about what we have in
> the UI/UX far away then let me say (with all due respect to the creator)
> Tips of the Day dialog.

Not really, a pop-up dialog or entries on the Warning bar can never be an
adequate substitute for documenting the rich set of UI features in an active
(on-line or local) contextual help system. Supplemented by TDF's well authored
Guide books and topic specific guides, e.g. Bruce Byfields 'Designing with
LibreOffice'. 

Restoring the  tag function to the "New Help" (bug 118148) would allow
targeted/contextual tip based help. We do not "need" a bloated dialog/wizard
for  guided configuration of the UI.

> 
> So my take is 1000+ to this feature request.

No sorry, it just does not fit/belong in the UI.

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--- Comment #15 from Rizal Muttaqin  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #14)
> -- View -> User Interface--seems adequate. Much as with see
> also bug 102070 -- this type of in your face "guidance" for users is not
> effective marketing or UX.
>
>From what I see in many comments/discussions in many places in the Internet,
many people does not aware this options while they complains no Ribbon UI in
LibO.

> IHMO, see no reason for overhead of maintaining a Dialog to pick UI's on
> initial profile setup and lots of opportunity for muddled profiles.
> 
> 

Honestly I dont get it what is the point of maintanaibility, we can say harshly
many LibO elements are not maintained. We can count broken function here and
there and no dev has interest to fix them (see G Drive for example which many
user expected to use or HTML export from Impress/Draw that nobody use).

> In other words we gain nothing/offer nothing to the user, and cause a whole
> lot of dev/maintenance work for a questionable dialog.

This dialog would be a more added value to tell user about what we have in the
UI/UX far away then let me say (with all due respect to the creator) Tips of
the Day dialog.

So my take is 1000+ to this feature request.

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--- Comment #14 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Pedro from comment #11)
> Not sure if the discussion should be in this bug or in 133151. You guys
> decide which one to close.
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133151
>

Closed that one again Duplicate.

> I seriously disagree that this is closed.
> The last time this was discussed was two years ago which is plenty of time.
> Furthermore, most of the issues raised on that bug are already surpassed. 
> ...

But you've ignored the primary reason this was moved to => WF 

>From comment 4 here:



Not a fan. With work for bug 115131 we now have one combined menu action to
directly select-- View -> User Interface--seems adequate. Much as with see also
bug 102070 -- this type of in your face "guidance" for users is not effective
marketing or UX.

IHMO, see no reason for overhead of maintaining a Dialog to pick UI's on
initial profile setup and lots of opportunity for muddled profiles.


In other words we gain nothing/offer nothing to the user, and cause a whole lot
of dev/maintenance work for a questionable dialog.

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--- Comment #13 from V Stuart Foote  ---
MUFFIN enhancements provide wonderful alternative UI configurations, but its
usage can not be made self documenting--better left to external help &
documentation delivered in more reasonable context.  In your face dialog
pop-ups and warning bar entries would be insufficient and annoying.

And frankly we do not need guided usage within the GUI, what's nex--think of
"Clippy" for MSO, or "Microsoft Bob"--no thanks!  Stick to functional
documentation, external to the UI.

IMHO => remains a WF, with tasks against documentation.

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*** Bug 133151 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #11 from Pedro  ---
Not sure if the discussion should be in this bug or in 133151. You guys decide
which one to close.
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133151

I seriously disagree that this is closed.
The last time this was discussed was two years ago which is plenty of time.
Furthermore, most of the issues raised on that bug are already surpassed. 
Those issues were:
1 - The alternative UIs were still experimental so that discussion was
premature by Stuart V Foote.
2 - Need to implement the missing features which are currently only in the
classic toolbar by Samuel Mehrbrodt.

Those two issues don't apply anymore so this discussion should be had now.
I agree with kdek and Timur that a dialog should be done to point the user to
select the preferred UI. 
IMO, that would be much more useful than having a "tip of the day" dialog. Or
simply hardcode the first "tip of the day" dialog after an installation to make
the user select a UI, or at least point the user to where to select the UI.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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--- Comment #10 from V Stuart Foote  ---
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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--- Comment #9 from Heiko Tietze  ---
*** Bug 133151 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/ Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |tietze.he...@gmail.com
   |.freedesktop.org|
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze  ---
I'm also in favor of more subtle solutions. The Notebookbar is not a
aesthetically thing, at least not primarily, where you decide once how the app
looks like but a way to accommodate to the use scenario. Writing a love letter
requires other functions then a thesis, for example.  And we make it easy to
switch with the prominent menu entry.

Nevertheless, interesting enhancement idea if we think about the larger
picture.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/ Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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--- Comment #7 from Xavier Van Wijmeersch  ---
Not a fan at all. Agree with WONTFIX

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/ Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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Xisco Faulí  changed:

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   Severity|normal  |enhancement

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/ Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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--- Comment #6 from Pedro  ---
This doesn't have to be something to be developed for 6.1.
In fact, considering that the feature freeze is coming on May 21st I don't
think that's possible. I just want this to be open for discussion and potential
development for 6.2.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/ Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB)  changed:

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--- Comment #5 from Samuel Mehrbrodt (CIB)  ---
Before we can prominently promote the Notebookbar, we need to implement the
missing features which are currently only in the classic toolbar.

Would also say wontfix, or at least blocked on those.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/ Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117463

V Stuart Foote  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||needsUXEval
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
   ||.freedesktop.org,
   ||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu
   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10
   ||2070
 Blocks||102062
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #4 from V Stuart Foote  ---

(In reply to Pedro from comment #0)
> 
> Considering that currently on the 6.1dev build, the Notebookbar is no longer
> experimental and there are several UI options to choose from it would be
> good to draw attention of the users to the different UI options they can
> choose from in LibreOffice.
> 

No, it is not out of Experimental mode...

> ...
> I propose that LO should prompt a dialog box at the first start-up after
> installation of each module with multiple UIs (Writer, Calc and Impress
> currently), to allow the user to easily change the UI without having to dig
> down into menus just like Softmaker and WPS Office do. Of course, that by
> doing this only polished UIs should be available in this dialog box at the
> beginning.

Not a fan. With work for bug 115131 we now have one combined menu action to
directly select-- View -> User Interface--seems adequate. Much as with see also
bug 102070 -- this type of in your face "guidance" for users is not effective
marketing or UX.

IHMO, see no reason for overhead of maintaining a Dialog to pick UI's on
initial profile setup and lots of opportunity for muddled profiles.

IMHO => WONTFIX


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102062
[Bug 102062] [META] Notebookbar: bugs and enhancements
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--- Comment #3 from Pedro  ---
Created attachment 141942
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=141942=edit
WPS UI picker dialog

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/ Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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--- Comment #2 from Pedro  ---
Created attachment 141941
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WPS UI picker dialog

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117463] Create a Dialog that shows up on first boot of Writer/Calc/ Impress for the user to pick its default UI

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--- Comment #1 from Pedro  ---
Created attachment 141940
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=141940=edit
Softmaker Office UI Picker dialog box

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