[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117500] Sidebar is not draggable if there is no open sidebar deck

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117500

Xisco Faulí  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #15 from Xisco Faulí  ---
Ok, thanks for the info!
Closing as RESOLVED WONTFIX!

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117500] Sidebar is not draggable if there is no open sidebar deck

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--- Comment #14 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Xisco Faulí from comment #13)
> Putting to NEW until the UX team decides how to handle this

Verdict from design team members and devs:

(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #1)
> => WONTFIX

(In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #2)
> Agree with Stuart.

(In reply to Katarina Behrens (CIB) from comment #8)
> ... and then what would users expect to happen?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117500] Sidebar is not draggable if there is no open sidebar deck

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Xisco Faulí  changed:

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 Status|REOPENED|NEW
 CC||xiscofa...@libreoffice.org

--- Comment #13 from Xisco Faulí  ---
Putting to NEW until the UX team decides how to handle this

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117500] Sidebar is not draggable if there is no open sidebar deck

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--- Comment #12 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to dbtale from comment #10)
> ...What
> I was trying to explain is when you have the sidebar docked on one side of
> the main window and you want to move the docked position to the other side
> of the window.

Would be nice but there is no clear requirement. We have many tickets on more
flexible UIs but unfortunately the current implementation lacks on flexibility.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 117500] Sidebar is not draggable if there is no open sidebar deck

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--- Comment #11 from V Stuart Foote  ---

(In reply to dbtale from comment #10)
> (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #9)
> > (In reply to Katarina Behrens (CIB) from comment #8)
> > > ... and then what would users expect to happen? A collapsed sidebar ( = 
> > > only
> > > the column of deck icons) would become undocked/floating? That would look
> > > ... hm, odd. Or should this operation also expand the sidebar?  
> > 
> > I would expect it to expand as recorded to profile--just as the current
> > Undock / Dock from the split button control [1]. 
> > 
> > But, would need to show or hide it depending on if the Deck is collapsed or
> > not--seems like a lot of hoops for something that is already provided from
> > the split settings button.
> 
> Just to be clear, because I might have misunderstood something. If we are
> talking about the Sidebar's settings button which allows the sidebar to be
> completely undocked, then this is not what I intended to talk about. That
> button allows the complete sidebar to be moved into a separate window. What
> I was trying to explain is when you have the sidebar docked on one side of
> the main window and you want to move the docked position to the other side
> of the window.

It is not into a "separate window".

Dragging Deck title bar to "move", now aided with addition of graphical grip,
first performs an Undock (actually makes the frame floating)--normal frame
controls then handled the Sidebar's movement. There are "drop" docking targets
on Right edge (default) and Left edge of the application window--when on target
there is a visual queue (outline of the frames placement) frame will snap to
its docked position. 

Release of mouse will drop there, or if off target and anywhere on system DE
space the frame will "float".

In other words to move the Sidebar it must be undocked -> moved -> docked. The
docking target--Left side or Right side--is stateful recorded to user profile.

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--- Comment #10 from dbt...@netscape.net ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #9)
> (In reply to Katarina Behrens (CIB) from comment #8)
> > ... and then what would users expect to happen? A collapsed sidebar ( = only
> > the column of deck icons) would become undocked/floating? That would look
> > ... hm, odd. Or should this operation also expand the sidebar?  
> 
> I would expect it to expand as recorded to profile--just as the current
> Undock / Dock from the split button control [1]. 
> 
> But, would need to show or hide it depending on if the Deck is collapsed or
> not--seems like a lot of hoops for something that is already provided from
> the split settings button.

Just to be clear, because I might have misunderstood something. If we are
talking about the Sidebar's settings button which allows the sidebar to be
completely undocked, then this is not what I intended to talk about. That
button allows the complete sidebar to be moved into a separate window. What I
was trying to explain is when you have the sidebar docked on one side of the
main window and you want to move the docked position to the other side of the
window.

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--- Comment #9 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to Katarina Behrens (CIB) from comment #8)
> ... and then what would users expect to happen? A collapsed sidebar ( = only
> the column of deck icons) would become undocked/floating? That would look
> ... hm, odd. Or should this operation also expand the sidebar?  

I would expect it to expand as recorded to profile--just as the current Undock
/ Dock from the split button control [1]. 

But, would need to show or hide it depending on if the Deck is collapsed or
not--seems like a lot of hoops for something that is already provided from the
split settings button.

> 
> /me ignorant developer, excuse my silly questions

;-)


=-ref-=
https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sfx2/source/sidebar/SidebarController.cxx#1004

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--- Comment #8 from Katarina Behrens (CIB)  ---

> @bubli -- any thoughts on need to also add a drag grip to the Tab bar? Or,
> maybe just when Deck is collapsed?

... and then what would users expect to happen? A collapsed sidebar ( = only
the column of deck icons) would become undocked/floating? That would look ...
hm, odd. Or should this operation also expand the sidebar?  

/me ignorant developer, excuse my silly questions

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--- Comment #7 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #6)
> =-ref-=
> [1] https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53496/

also these in setting up the grips...

https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/53323
https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/53379

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   Keywords||needsUXEval
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--- Comment #6 from V Stuart Foote  ---
(In reply to dbtale from comment #5)

Thanks, we're quite capable of reviewing UI proposals and response considered
the Sidebar in docked, undocked, expanded and collapsed state(s). 

IMHO drag to undock from the Tab bar is not needed as an undock control is
present from the settings split button.

A grip was just added to the Deck title [1] to match other Tools bar objects,
but the title bar still takes grab focus. Test a current daily of 6.1.0alpah1+
master.

See no reason to add the grip onto the Tab bar in a collapsed state and it is
not needed when the deck is expanded (present in the Deck title).

IMHO it remains => WONTFIX

@bubli -- any thoughts on need to also add a drag grip to the Tab bar? Or,
maybe just when Deck is collapsed?

=-ref-=
[1] https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/53496/

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dbt...@netscape.net changed:

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 Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED
 Resolution|WONTFIX |---

--- Comment #5 from dbt...@netscape.net ---
Please wait until one replies before closing the bug as won't fix.

Neither of you follow the steps to reproduce the bug, so how can you actually
decide before further input? For the first comment: you write as if the deck is
open, but I wrote explicitly in my steps to reproduce part that you have to
close all decks. For the second comment: I wrote explicitly that you want the
sidebar to be not-hidden (referring to the exact menu item that you have said).

Ok, I understand that it is not necessarily a good idea to allow the drag from
a random place. So I attached a screenshot with two toolbars. One is a regular
one and the other is the sidebar. On the regular toolbar there is a drag area:
one can hover over the dotted line in the front and drag the toolbar wherever
one pleases. On the sidebar (when there is no deck open) there is no control
like the one on the regular toolbar in the attachment. So one cannot drag the
sidebar unless a deck is opened to make sure the drag controls are available. I
am advocating to allow the drag even if there is no deck open.

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--- Comment #4 from dbt...@netscape.net ---
Created attachment 141998
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Drag control is not available on the sidebar when there is no open deck

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--- Comment #3 from dbt...@netscape.net ---
Created attachment 141997
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Drag possible with other toolbars by using the control of the circled area

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |tietze.he...@gmail.com
   |.freedesktop.org|
 Resolution|--- |WONTFIX

--- Comment #2 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Agree with Stuart. Sidenote: you can hide the sidebar completely with View > [
] Sidebar, assigned to ctrl+F5 by default in 6.1.

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||needsUXEval
 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
 CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists
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   ||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu
 Blocks||103459
 Ever confirmed|0   |1

--- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote  ---
No, IMHO behavior is correct as implemented.

The "Sidebar Settings" gear icon split button widget includes an Undock entry.
Or, as noted, for an expanded Deck just the Deck Title object can receive a
click-drag action to undock the SideBar.

The GUI drag undock/dock (it goes both ways) is performed against the frame
holding the entire Sidebar--so having just the Deck Title a target for the grab
is enough given that we also provide the split button menu for the undock
action.

Linking the dock/undock action to each Content Panel held in a Deck would be a
nuisance to implement, and to maintain, for each content panel. 

Keep the GUI implementation simple and continue to _only_ target the Deck Title
for mouse drag.


=> WONTFIX


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103459
[Bug 103459] [META] Sidebar UI and UX bugs and enhancements
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