[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 118355] Menu Styles miss "Body Text" entry in Writer
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118355 Olivier Hallot changed: What|Removed |Added Assignee|libreoffice-b...@lists.free |olivier.hallot@documentfoun |desktop.org |dation.org -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 118355] Menu Styles miss "Body Text" entry in Writer
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118355 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords|needsUXEval |difficultyBeginner, ||easyHack, skillDesign CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |mentoring@documentfoundatio |.freedesktop.org|n.org, ||tietze.he...@gmail.com --- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze --- We discussed the topic in the design meeting and recommend to _exchange_ "Default paragraph" by "Text body". In https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Writer_for_Students/Text_Body a clear warning is given to not use Default, and we must not make it easy to have a bad layout. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 118355] Menu Styles miss "Body Text" entry in Writer
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118355 --- Comment #7 from Kenneth Hanson --- I think the biggest reason to have both Text Body and Default Paragraph in the menu is as a hint for users that are not familiar with styles. It makes it clear that these are different, and shows their keyboard shortcuts: Ctrl+1/2/3 for headings, Ctrl+0 for body text, Ctrl+Shift+0 for Default Paragraph. Such users can easily use the menu until they learn the shortcuts. Text Body is the primary paragraph style, the level below all headings. Default Paragraph is occasionally comes in handy when you need to get rid of spacing/indentation on a one-time basis (and there is no logical name or urgent need for a new style that changes nothing from the default). The paradigm is easy to understand when presented like this. The extra keyboard modifier for Default Paragraph makes it obvious that this is not the "normal" style. That being said, bug 47295 really does need to be fixed. I've made this change in my default template long ago, so I didn't realize it hadn't been fixed yet. The fact that Text Body is also for all practical purposes a "reset" switch for paragraph style is yet another reason to include it, but it's not the main reason. I contrast, I would oppose adding most other styles because they don't match the above reasoning. They are not part of the heading paradigm, don't (?) have default keyboard shortcuts, and are not critical for all documents. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 118355] Menu Styles miss "Body Text" entry in Writer
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118355 --- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Jean-Baptiste Faure from comment #4) > I disagree: the main use case I see is replacing a wrong "Default paragraph" > style by "Text body". You can't do that with the current menu. Which is bug 47295 (In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #5) > The menu is a quick access tool for those, who cannot use the mouse. The main menu is not the primary a11y method. There are many ways to change the style and most are more flexible than the main menu. Actually I'm not fighting against this particular item but the idea to enhance the main menu for no good reason. If someone has a work flow that includes signatures, will another entry be added then? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 118355] Menu Styles miss "Body Text" entry in Writer
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118355 Regina Henschel changed: What|Removed |Added CC||rb.hensc...@t-online.de --- Comment #5 from Regina Henschel --- I too think, that it should be in the menu. The menu is a quick access tool for those, who cannot use the mouse. Therefore the often needed styles should be there. Getting "Text body" from "Next style" of a heading does not help if you are editing an existing text or if you need to switch back from "Quotations" or "Preformatted Text". -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 118355] Menu Styles miss "Body Text" entry in Writer
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118355 --- Comment #4 from Jean-Baptiste Faure --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3) > Don't think it's needed as text body is set automatically. In other words, > there is no use case beyond "completeness" which would be solved by this > menu entry. I disagree: the main use case I see is replacing a wrong "Default paragraph" style by "Text body". You can't do that with the current menu. If you start typing before setting an heading paragraph, then you will have a Default paragraph style, not a Text body style. > > Remember that we have several ways to apply a style and the menu is now > another but limited way. Yes of course. That said, this menu should promote good practices and I think that the use of Default paragraph as default style is not a good practice. Best regards. JBF -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 118355] Menu Styles miss "Body Text" entry in Writer
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118355 --- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze --- Don't think it's needed as text body is set automatically. In other words, there is no use case beyond "completeness" which would be solved by this menu entry. Remember that we have several ways to apply a style and the menu is now another but limited way. Leaving the ticket open for more opinions. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 118355] Menu Styles miss "Body Text" entry in Writer
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118355 Jean-Baptiste Faure changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jbfa...@libreoffice.org Ever confirmed|0 |1 Version|6.2.0.0.alpha0+ Master |6.1.0.0.beta2+ Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW --- Comment #2 from Jean-Baptiste Faure --- No text body style in the Style menu in LO 6.1.0.0.beta2+ too. I agree with Olivier, this style should be added to this menu. I even think it should be added in place of Default Paragraph which should never been used as is. It should only be used as the ancestor of paragraph style to define common attributes. Status set to NEW. Best regards. JBF -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 118355] Menu Styles miss "Body Text" entry in Writer
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=118355 --- Comment #1 from Dieter Praas --- In LO 6.1 next style is "Text Body", which is in the list of styles. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
