[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 sdc.bla...@youmail.dk changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93 ||904 --- Comment #19 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- (In reply to jeanmarczambon from comment #12) > A typical case is a document which first page starts with different heading > levels (see attachment): Or this related case (bug 93904, comment 3), where both outline level 1 and outline level 2 headings are desired in the header for all pages. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 --- Comment #18 from sdc.bla...@youmail.dk --- Some points of clarification: 1. The attachment 156451 corresponds to the description in the OP. That is, a Chapter (document) field type is inserted. (It is not a cross-reference as discussed in comment 2, comment 6, and comment 7). 2. There is no "level" setting for a cross-reference, and cross-references would not work in this context, because they would continue to refer to the same heading. 3. In part, the OP seems to reflect a misunderstanding of the function of the "level" attribute for the Chapter field type - by assuming (reasonably, but incorrectly) that the "level" specifies the outline level of the "Chapter name" to be displayed. (this is a documentation problem, which is being addressed, e.g., bug 153560 comment 9). 4. The test case in attachment 156451 is focused on the first page. There may be a bug in the actual behavior of "Chapter" field types when inserted in the Header on the first page of a document (see bug 93904, comment 6), which could obscure understanding/diagnosis of the problem, but even if that bug was addressed, it would not address the main issue in the OP. 5. The main (and genuine) problem of the OP is raised in comment 5 When a new level 2 chapname appears in middle of page, it only start to show on the FOLLOWING page. but there is a critical ambiguity here. What if two new headings with outline level 2 appear on the same page, which one should be shown in the header? (this point is raised in comment 10) 6. comment 12 has some great examples (plausible use cases), which I believe are impossible to achieve with the Chapter field type for the following two reasons. Two main showstoppers: a. It is not possible to specify very precisely (except for outline level 1) what outline level to use for the field. b. The Header does not "read forward" to pick up the header on the page where it appears. (This is also the complaint of the OP). [side note: The field in the Header does "read forward" if a new page starts with a heading, whose outline level is within the "level" range specified for the field.] Maybe those two problems (a) and (b) should be separated into two different tickets, if they do not exist already. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||129434 --- Comment #17 from Dieter --- Still present in Version: 7.4.0.3 (x64) / LibreOffice Community Build ID: f85e47c08ddd19c015c0114a68350214f7066f5a CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19044; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win Locale: de-DE (de_DE); UI: en-GB Calc: CL Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129434 [Bug 129434] [META] Writer (EDITING) Suggested bug fixes, enhancements and features for authors. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Ever confirmed|0 |1 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW --- Comment #15 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Dieter from comment #13) > (In General it would be a great advanteage if there would be the basic rule, > that LO is in lne with at least one of the well know style guides. Has that > ever been discussed, Heiko?) We always discuss changes based on standards like the CMoS. Ideally we have several standards and the user can switch between CMoS, APA, IEEE... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 Thomas Lendo changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||107905 Hardware|x86-64 (AMD64) |All OS|Windows (All) |All CC||thomas.le...@gmail.com --- Comment #14 from Thomas Lendo --- +1 for this request. I doubt that this is the first bug report. Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=107905 [Bug 107905] [META] Cross-references bugs and enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||48741 --- Comment #13 from Dieter --- I revised my opinion and support the enhancement request. I had a look at CMOS (Chicago Manual of Style 17th Edition) and there you can find, that always the first heading of a page is header. (In General it would be a great advanteage if there would be the basic rule, that LO is in lne with at least one of the well know style guides. Has that ever been discussed, Heiko?) Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48741 [Bug 48741] [META] Writer's page header and footer issues -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 Dieter changed: What|Removed |Added Status|REOPENED|UNCONFIRMED Ever confirmed|1 |0 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 jeanmarczam...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jeanmarczam...@gmail.com --- Comment #12 from jeanmarczam...@gmail.com --- Created attachment 163379 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=163379=edit Inconsistent "current" level-2 heading on a first page. Hi everyone, I'm facing the same problem, and I would like to give some pro arguments to the "first-heading-in-page" paradigm (as written in official documention: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Writer_Guide/Using_fields_in_headers_and_footers), against the "first-text-node-heading" paradigm (the actual implementation, best described by Kartik Subbarao: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=81012#c6). 1. The first page problem - A typical case is a document which first page starts with different heading levels (see attachment): 1. Level 1 1.1. Level 2 1.1.1. Level 3 [text] The "current" level 2 heading is naturally "Level 2", but the header field will show "Level 1" as it is the first paragraph of the page. The "first-heading-in-page" paradigm would have set "Level 2", as expected. 2. Dictionary comparison The best real world example I can think of, regarding level-2 field in header, is the dictionary habit of referencing first and last entries in a page at the top of that page. First entry in header is always the first one in the page, even if this entry is not the first text of that page (i.e. when a page starts with the end of the previous definition). 3. This enhancement was once accepted - This is a very old request (https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=16211), which was immediately accepted by the OOo team but that no one ever took charge. Hoping that this can (calmly :)) reopen the debate... -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda |.freedesktop.org|tion.org Keywords|needsUXEval | -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 --- Comment #11 from Miklos Vajna --- Writer has a chapter field, I think that's a subset of what Word's STYLEREF can do. See e.g. bug 104334 for details. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added CC||vmik...@collabora.com --- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze --- Chapter is documented as "the number of the chapter where the referenced target is located.", see [1]. And the ODF defines "If this element is placed inside a header or footer, it displays the current chapter name or number on every page." [2] [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/b/bc/WG6017-Fields.pdf [2] http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part1.html#__RefHeading__1415316_253892949 My understanding of "current" is the same as Dieter's - the chapter to what the first paragraph belongs is taken into the variable. If you expect some other procedure you would have to answer the question when the header takes what is on the page. You may have 50% of the text in mind but consider also more than one heading on the same page. And other users probably expect the current behavior. I don't see a solution for your workflow. Last but not least I opened the document with MSO 2016 where all headers show "header22". Probably Word cannot deal with this type of variable (cross-reference has nothing like chapter). But maybe we have a roundtrip problem. Miklos, what do you think? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 Dieter Praas changed: What|Removed |Added CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org Keywords||needsUXEval --- Comment #9 from Dieter Praas --- Vinent, I don't like the insinuation in your comment. If I do something for LO, I do tis in my free time and unpaid. No further coment from my side cc: Design Team for further input -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 VincentYu changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|NOTABUG |--- Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED Ever confirmed|0 |1 --- Comment #8 from VincentYu --- There are plenty of documents/books(published ones) that show/want to show the first new section on a page in the header. I don't think the documentation is wrong. You are just imposing what you think is the only reasonable choice on the user. At least there should be some flexibility here. Is there an alternate way to achieve what's stated in the documentation? liking using a custom variable? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 Dieter Praas changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|--- |NOTABUG CC||dgp-m...@gmx.de Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED --- Comment #7 from Dieter Praas --- I confirm, that LO (In reply to VincentYu from comment #6) > According to writer 6.0 guide page 382 > Note A cross-reference field in the header of a page picks up the first > heading > of that level on the page, and a field in the footer picks up the last > heading of that level on the page. > > Writer 6.2.8.2 release behaves differently. I think documentation is not correct enough here. The first line of page 2 of your document belongs to chapter "Heading21". So Cross-reference in header is "Heading21". If you delete the first line, cross-referece will change to "Heading22". So for me everything works as expected, but documentation should be more precise. => NOTABUG Please feel free to change it back to UNCONFIRMRED with a short reasoning, if you don't agree. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 --- Comment #6 from VincentYu --- (In reply to AndrewS from comment #4) > Hi Vincent, > > I can't completely understand what you are trying to do. No probs, lets see > how we go! > > your message; I will add in between the lines with indent > > Steps to Reproduce: > 1.enter 3 lines of text > OK i did this > 2.turn 2nd line into heading level 2 using styles->heading 2 > also this > 3.add heading, insert->fields->more->document->chapter format->chapter name > level->2 > this i don't understand, where are you adding the heading > > You have just turned the second line into a heading, then you want to add a > heading What!!! I did follow your instructions and agree the app should > have indicated an incorrect operation, it didn't. > > I do agree there is some issue. > try and be really exact with your details, it really helps > > Best wishes > AndrewS It's about inserting a field into the header of a document which appears on the top of each page of that document. The field I talked about is the Document/Chapter/name field, at level 2. According to writer 6.0 guide page 382 Note A cross-reference field in the header of a page picks up the first heading of that level on the page, and a field in the footer picks up the last heading of that level on the page. Writer 6.2.8.2 release behaves differently. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 --- Comment #5 from VincentYu --- It's about showing level 2 chapname on heading when chapname changes on following pages. When a new level 2 chapname appears in middle of page, it only start to show on the FOLLOWING page. It should showup in header of CURRENT page according to the guide. Pls see my attached file for details. It has 3 pages. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 --- Comment #4 from AndrewS --- Hi Vincent, I can't completely understand what you are trying to do. No probs, lets see how we go! your message; I will add in between the lines with indent Steps to Reproduce: 1.enter 3 lines of text OK i did this 2.turn 2nd line into heading level 2 using styles->heading 2 also this 3.add heading, insert->fields->more->document->chapter format->chapter name level->2 this i don't understand, where are you adding the heading You have just turned the second line into a heading, then you want to add a heading What!!! I did follow your instructions and agree the app should have indicated an incorrect operation, it didn't. I do agree there is some issue. try and be really exact with your details, it really helps Best wishes AndrewS -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 --- Comment #3 from VincentYu --- Version: 6.2.8.2 (x64) Build ID: f82ddfca21ebc1e222a662a32b25c0c9d20169ee CPU threads: 2; OS: Windows 6.3; UI render: default; VCL: win; Locale: en-US (en_US); UI-Language: en-US Calc: threaded -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 --- Comment #2 from VincentYu --- On Writer 6.0 guide page 382: Note A cross-reference field in the header of a page picks up the first heading of that level on the page, and a field in the footer picks up the last heading of that level on the page. Writer 6.2.8.2 release behaves differently. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 129302] FORMATTING:chapter name field in header does not reflect first chapter in current page
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=129302 --- Comment #1 from VincentYu --- Created attachment 156451 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=156451=edit 3 pages with 1 heading1 and 2 heading2's and header -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
