[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142103] Japanese full-width characters: Should be cropped, if they are the first character
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142103 himajin100...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15 ||6371 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142103] Japanese full-width characters: Should be cropped, if they are the first character
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142103 --- Comment #8 from Ming Hua --- (In reply to Ming Hua from comment #7) > Again to the best of my knowledge, all current widely used (meaning the open > source ones, and the ones come with Windows or macOS operating system) > Chinese and Japanese fonts are "broken" in this regard. (In reply to DarkTrick from comment #3) > If you have a font installed, that does not reserve space for those certain > characters (like IPAPGothic ), you can manually set the first character to > that font. I've never used fonts by IPA before, only heard of their name. If this "proportional" IPAPGothic font suits you need, by all means set it as the default Asian font on your system. But my guess is that it also make those punctuation marks narrower even if they are not at the start of a line. And many users would find that undesirable. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142103] Japanese full-width characters: Should be cropped, if they are the first character
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142103 Ming Hua changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 ||6513 --- Comment #7 from Ming Hua --- (In reply to DarkTrick from comment #6) > Thank you for your comment on this matter! > > From what you wrote and further "investigation", I guess I agree with your > statement. Don't get me wrong, I agree it's a valid concern and enhancement request, I just don't feel LibreOffice is the right place on the technology/software stack to solve this issue. FWIW, English/Latin-based text has more-or-less the same issue, usually called "hanging punctuation" or "optical margin alignment", see bug 106513. > That being said: Maybe there is some indirect way to prevent the problem ( I > don't know about technical details here, so I might go off on an impossible > tangent). As I said, I'm by no means an expert, so I'll just drop my 2 cents here, as a (somewhat) experienced Chinese user: > 1) > How does LibreOffice decide which fonts are used as standard? > Perhaps changing standard fonts to something, that works "as expected" in > each language is possible? LibreOffice is a bit different from most other word processing software here, in that it specify three different fonts for its text -- Western font, Asian (CJK, i.e. Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) font, and CTL (complex text layout, think Arabic, Hindi, etc.). See the Tools > Options > Language Settings > Languages dialog. To the best of my knowledge, there is no "default" CJK font defined in the default template, therefore no such "used as standard" font for Japanese text. There is a list of preferred font to fallback on for each language, but it depends on whether each of the fonts in that list is installed on your system, and therefore not reliable. > 2) > > and don't have proper metadata (kerning?) > Maybe let the user know, if the font is "broken", so they understand, that > some things might not work as expected? Again to the best of my knowledge, all current widely used (meaning the open source ones, and the ones come with Windows or macOS operating system) Chinese and Japanese fonts are "broken" in this regard. I guess most native Chinese and Japanese users just don't consider this issue a big deal (I personally don't, either). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142103] Japanese full-width characters: Should be cropped, if they are the first character
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142103 --- Comment #6 from DarkTrick --- Thank you for your comment on this matter! >From what you wrote and further "investigation", I guess I agree with your statement. That being said: Maybe there is some indirect way to prevent the problem ( I don't know about technical details here, so I might go off on an impossible tangent). 1) How does LibreOffice decide which fonts are used as standard? Perhaps changing standard fonts to something, that works "as expected" in each language is possible? 2) > and don't have proper metadata (kerning?) Maybe let the user know, if the font is "broken", so they understand, that some things might not work as expected? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142103] Japanese full-width characters: Should be cropped, if they are the first character
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142103] Japanese full-width characters: Should be cropped, if they are the first character
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142103 --- Comment #5 from Ming Hua --- (In reply to Vadym from comment #4) > Thank you for reporting the bug. I can confirm this bug. I am by no means an expert, but I question this "confirming". Yes, full-width punctuation marks will have empty space when placed at the beginning of a line and look misaligned like in reporter's screenshot. However this is likely due to the design of the font used, as most fonts define the width of full-width punctuation marks as the same as the width of square-shaped glyphs, and don't have proper metadata (kerning?) to automatically adjust glyph position based on its position in a line/paragraph. Moreover, for different fonts, this "empty space" may well be very different. I personally don't think this is a problem LibreOffice can solve. Nor should it try. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142103] Japanese full-width characters: Should be cropped, if they are the first character
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142103 Vadym changed: What|Removed |Added Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW Ever confirmed|0 |1 --- Comment #4 from Vadym --- Thank you for reporting the bug. I can confirm this bug. Version: 7.2.0.0.alpha1+ (x64) / LibreOffice Community Build ID: b1c0734ffe0f395757b6e0cea7830d820231afeb CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19042; UI render: Skia/Vulkan; VCL: win Locale: en-US (en_US); UI: en-US Calc: threaded -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142103] Japanese full-width characters: Should be cropped, if they are the first character
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142103 QA Administrators changed: What|Removed |Added Whiteboard|| QA:needsComment -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142103] Japanese full-width characters: Should be cropped, if they are the first character
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142103 himajin100...@gmail.com changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||113195 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113195 [Bug 113195] [META] Japanese language-specific CJK issues -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142103] Japanese full-width characters: Should be cropped, if they are the first character
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142103 --- Comment #3 from DarkTrick --- Workaround: === If you have a font installed, that does not reserve space for those certain characters (like IPAPGothic ), you can manually set the first character to that font. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142103] Japanese full-width characters: Should be cropped, if they are the first character
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142103 --- Comment #2 from DarkTrick --- Created attachment 171652 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=171652=edit Example screenshot -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 142103] Japanese full-width characters: Should be cropped, if they are the first character
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=142103 --- Comment #1 from DarkTrick --- Created attachment 171651 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=171651=edit Example odt file -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
