[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147837] When merging cells, it is not good that 'Keep the contents of the hidden cell' is the default

2022-04-27 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147837

--- Comment #11 from JO3EMC  ---
> While a warning/infobar on save is not possible and on load is probably too 
> late, the recommendation is to show an indicator (optionally) for hidden 
> content.

That would be better.

That being said, I think it's even better that the initial value of the dialog
is "Empty the contents of the hidden cells".
Changing the default value is different from removing the function.
The topic is which one is kinder to beginners.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147837] When merging cells, it is not good that 'Keep the contents of the hidden cell' is the default

2022-04-22 Thread bugzilla-daemon
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147837

Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze  ---
The topic was on the agenda of the design meeting.

MSO can read hidden content from merged cells but when applied on MSO365 it
offers only to remove the content. We provide all options and to keep the
content is a convenient feature. On the other hand, the security/privacy
argument is valid. 

While a warning/infobar on save is not possible and on load is probably too
late, the recommendation is to show an indicator (optionally) for hidden
content.


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108320
[Bug 108320] [META] Calc cells merging and splitting bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147837] When merging cells, it is not good that 'Keep the contents of the hidden cell' is the default

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #9 from JO3EMC  ---
I missed talking.
Not all Microsoft behavior is better in this issue.
There are some bad points, and I think it has advantages and disadvantages
compared to LibreOffice.
The best answer has not been determined.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147837] When merging cells, it is not good that 'Keep the contents of the hidden cell' is the default

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #8 from JO3EMC  ---
Dialogs are certainly one approach, and I think it's not a bad way at this
point for picking up all the requests.
However, what is proposed here is the selection of the initial value there.
My opinion is that "Empty the contents of the hidden cells" is better.
Many of the people around me have similar ideas, and so far no one has any
other ideas.
Opinions are also exchanged in the Japanese category of Ask, and it is such a
situation.
https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/topic/74933

Although it deviates a little from the proposal of this issue.

>From the perspective of not breaking existing data or formulas, "Keep the
contents of the hidden cells" is certainly "safer".
But I think that kind of safety is not necessary.
Cell merging changes the appearance and structure of the "visible sheet".
If the structure of the sheet changes, I think it may be natural that the
written content is damaged, in a sense.
Similar things usually happen with other cell operations.

Rather, it is more dangerous that information that is difficult for the user to
know is left in the "invisible place".
It is difficult to follow the behavior of formulas, and also there is the risk
of information leakage.
"Safe" depends on the point of view.
It seems more dangerous to me that it is harder to detect invisible data.
The introduction of the "Hidden Row / Column Indicator" feature in LibreOffice
7.4 may also be from a similar perspective.
I think the Bug 137780 introduced in Comment 5 is standing on this view.

Data loss is usually visible.
We can notice.
If the data is promised not to be hidden, the awareness is even more certain.

Microsoft doesn't always do the right thing, but it can be right.
To me, Microsoft's judgment seems to be better on this issue.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147837] When merging cells, it is not good that 'Keep the contents of the hidden cell' is the default

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed:

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--- Comment #7 from Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> ---
Current behaviour is the best solution for this case

I don't think it's the problem for anyone, because we have the excellent dialog
with illustrations and nice labels

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147837] When merging cells, it is not good that 'Keep the contents of the hidden cell' is the default

2022-04-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Quite the opposite, keeping all data on merge is safer than cleaning up.
Microsoft is not always doing the right things.

Ultimately it's a conscious decision and the dialog shows clearly what happens. 

Other opinions?

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147837] When merging cells, it is not good that 'Keep the contents of the hidden cell' is the default

2022-04-05 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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Shinji Enoki  changed:

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 147837] When merging cells, it is not good that 'Keep the contents of the hidden cell' is the default

2022-03-09 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #5 from JO3EMC  ---
Reproduce in 7.3.1.

Version: 7.3.1.3 (x64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: a69ca51ded25f3eefd52d7bf9a5fad8c90b87951
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19044; UI render: default; VCL: win
Locale: ja-JP (ja_JP); UI: ja-JP
Calc: CL


I don't think it's serious, but I agree with the idea that'Empty the contents
of the hidden cells' should be the default.
I think we can reduce the risk of being inadvertently annoyed by invisible
numbers.

The Bug 137780 proposal may also be a related approach.

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2022-03-07 Thread bugzilla-daemon
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--- Comment #4 from Junichi Matsukawa  ---
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Total display after cell merging in Excel 2019

Total display after cell merging in Excel 2019

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--- Comment #3 from Junichi Matsukawa  ---
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Excel 2019 cell merge display

Excel 2019 cell merge display

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Total display after cell merge with default selected

Total display after cell merge with default selected

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Selection display when merging cells with Calc

Selection display when merging cells with Calc

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