[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 --- Comment #11 from maison --- Thanks for the update, but having the empty field is not les destructive than having it populated with any other value, as you can still replace your data with an empty string if you accidentally click the Replace buttons. If you want to avoid potential damage (if someone can’t undo), then it should be the search string to be reset, not the replace string. It’ll be a peculiarity for LO compared to other software. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|--- |WONTFIX Status|UNCONFIRMED |RESOLVED --- Comment #10 from Heiko Tietze --- We discussed the topic in the design meeting and decided to resolve WF. It might be a common use case to search for different content and replace it by the same value. But it is definitely not the most relevant. It is easy to select the last used item, and we should protect potentially destructive actions (with the preselection wit risk accidental replacing). -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 Cor Nouws changed: What|Removed |Added CC||c...@nouenoff.nl Version|7.5.2.2 release |Inherited From OOo -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 --- Comment #9 from maison --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #8) > (In reply to maison from comment #7) > > As a side note, what do you mean by Alt P? > The mnemonic is the character in a label that can be used to activate the > item per alt+. The letter is typically underlined but depending on the > OS and desktop environment not visible until you press alt. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonics_(keyboard) That’s what I thought. You were mentioning how to trigger the Replace button, whereas Eyal and all the conversation here is how to have the replacement text ready for the Replace button. That’s different. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 --- Comment #8 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to maison from comment #7) > As a side note, what do you mean by Alt P? The mnemonic is the character in a label that can be used to activate the item per alt+. The letter is typically underlined but depending on the OS and desktop environment not visible until you press alt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonics_(keyboard) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 --- Comment #7 from maison --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #6) > > * It's easy to re-select the search term if you're actively using the mouse > Or the alt+P mnemonic (depending on the localization) As a side note, what do you mean by Alt P? In my localisation, it triggers the Rep͟lace button rather than recall the last replacement item. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 --- Comment #6 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #5) > * It's easy to re-select the search term if you're actively using the mouse Or the alt+P mnemonic (depending on the localization) > 1. You replace "somethingfoo" with "anotherfoo"... All good example. We need to balance the benefit from _preselecting_ the last replacement with the odds of doing so. And I tend to disagree with the importance of the repeated replacement workflow. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 --- Comment #5 from Eyal Rozenberg --- Points in favor: * I find benefit in having the same replace-string again (see below). * All sorts of other apps have this, e.g. CLion IDE, gedit, Geany IDE * It's annoying to re-select the replace term in calc Points against: * It's easy to re-select the search term if you're actively using the mouse * It not difficult to re-select the replace term in Writer * Some apps don't have this feature e.g. Thunderbird * User might accidentally replace with a term they did not intend to use (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3) > I wonder what workflow requires to repeat search / replace operations. Oh, come on, that's obvious! 1. You replace "somethingfoo" with "anotherfoo"; then you want to replace "somethingbar" with "anotherbar". So you start with "anotherbar" and edit just the suffix. 2. You replace some complex regexp with another complex pattern using matched subexpressions. But then you notice that first search pattern only captures some of the cases, so you modify it, while still replacing with the exact same pattern 3. You're replacing with a term like "N/A" or "0"; and there are multiple kinds of things you want to "reset to default" that way. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 maison changed: What|Removed |Added Ever confirmed|1 |0 Status|NEEDINFO|UNCONFIRMED -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 --- Comment #4 from maison --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #3) > I wonder what workflow requires to repeat search / replace operations. > Neither it's a "quirkiness" to me (haven't checked Microsoft apps). Do you > have a real life example to support the enhancement need? Or see it in the opposite way, what workflow example there is where you want to search for the same thing, but this time delete your text rather than replace it with what was previously set? Deleting your search text (which happens when you don’t have a replacement text set) is a very strong assumption, which is very unlikely that it is what the user wants the second time. Or why set the search text again & all the other options in the popup window, but not the replace text? It makes no sense to me (and indeed Microsoft Office users are not used to having some of their setting disappear). Also let’s speak about several software as diverse as advanced text editors, Calibre, Directory Opus, Abbyy FineReader… I can hardly find something that deletes half of the Search & Replace settings. Anyway as an easy to understand workflow, you search and replace a few things, then you realise that you need more attention for this place, so you close the window to work on it properly, then you want to resume your search, and now you have to press Tab Tab Tab Tab Tab… (don’t press too automatically or you have to start over!) -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Ever confirmed|0 |1 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEEDINFO --- Comment #3 from Heiko Tietze --- I wonder what workflow requires to repeat search / replace operations. Neither it's a "quirkiness" to me (haven't checked Microsoft apps). Do you have a real life example to support the enhancement need? -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 --- Comment #2 from maison --- (In reply to V Stuart Foote from comment #1) > Sorry, not seeing the need. > > On open the dialog, cursor focus is in the Find field > > Three (to pass over find configuration check-boxes) to position to > the Replace field > > Cursor (or up) to fill items from Replacement stack. Maybe because you use Writer. I mostly use Calc, which has more (too many) Tabs to press until you reach that box, then press another key, which is enough to interrupt the workflow. Even today it’s risk free as the first assigned button is Search for next and not Replace as you suggest. But that statement is also not true, as with the replace field empty you can still delete your data if you inadvertently click the Replace all button. Anyway, as I said, it’s an interface quirkiness that no other software that I’m aware of chose. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added Keywords||needsUXEval CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org --- Comment #1 from V Stuart Foote --- Sorry, not seeing the need. On open the dialog, cursor focus is in the Find field Three (to pass over find configuration check-boxes) to position to the Replace field Cursor (or up) to fill items from Replacement stack. This is functional, both with mouse pointer and with keyboard selection. Also, it is risk free. With nothing selected for the replacement string--no inadvertent replacement can occur (necessitation UNDO if caught, or loss of data if not). I suppose we could refactor to optionally prefill the replace field--but it would need to be off by default and an Expert configuration. Not clear it is worth the effort or risk to the "Benjamin" users. IMHO => WF -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||vsfo...@libreoffice.org See Also|https://bugs.documentfounda | |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 | |2847| Blocks||102847 Severity|normal |enhancement Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102847 [Bug 102847] [META] Quick Find, Search and Replace -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 154831] Replace string is empty
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154831 maison changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 ||2847 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
