[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also|https://bugs.documentfounda | |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14 | |4946| -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||eaglevi...@protonmail.com --- Comment #56 from V Stuart Foote --- *** Bug 144946 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14 ||4946 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added URL|https://openapkfile.co/ | -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 himan khare changed: What|Removed |Added URL||https://openapkfile.co/ --- Comment #55 from himan khare --- Great efforts to collect the info, thanks for share. https://openapkfile.co/ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #54 from Todd --- I use the Windows version with Wine on Fedora 33. It has a few quirks, but it is still far more usable than Libre Office. Fixing this bug would go a long way to getting Libre Office to catch up to Word Pro -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #53 from rol...@logikalsolutions.com --- I haven't looked to see if LO has been updated/reported to it yet or not. Just adding this info here because it was news to me. OS/2 is back from the grave. https://www.theregister.com/2017/05/19/new_version_of_os_2_arca_os_5/ https://www.arcanoae.com/wp-content/uploads/wiki/ArcaOS50_InstallationGuide.pdf https://www.arcanoae.com/shop/arcaos-5-personal-edition/ It is an option for your Lotus WordPro. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #52 from V Stuart Foote --- (In reply to Todd from comment #51) > (In reply to luciano_f from comment #50) > > ... > > https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dRhyfe1x7fM/WOIXKpGfBDI/JiI/ > > Ae0hxxJx3DsWUWgKVT_88nH-dqdKxiszwCLcB/s1600/Screenshot%2Bfrom%2B2017-04- > > 02%2B21-35-31.png > > > > I am not seeing division tabs in your screen shot. > > The Firefox style tabs at the top are sweet and I'd like to see them in LO, > but they are not division tabs. Division tabs on in the document Right, that is the Tabbed UI -- MDI of see also bug 37134, not tabbed document sections as here. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #51 from Todd --- (In reply to luciano_f from comment #50) > I am also very interested in this Guides feature that would make LibreOffice > very powerful and I don’t see it as something so complex to develop because > it’s just Layout. > > Even OnyOffice already has this functionality. > > https://www.onlyoffice.com/en/ > > https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dRhyfe1x7fM/WOIXKpGfBDI/JiI/ > Ae0hxxJx3DsWUWgKVT_88nH-dqdKxiszwCLcB/s1600/Screenshot%2Bfrom%2B2017-04- > 02%2B21-35-31.png > > Thankful. I am not seeing division tabs in your screen shot. The Firefox style tabs at the top are sweet and I'd like to see them in LO, but they are not division tabs. Division tabs on in the document -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #50 from luciano_f --- I am also very interested in this Guides feature that would make LibreOffice very powerful and I don’t see it as something so complex to develop because it’s just Layout. Even OnyOffice already has this functionality. https://www.onlyoffice.com/en/ https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dRhyfe1x7fM/WOIXKpGfBDI/JiI/Ae0hxxJx3DsWUWgKVT_88nH-dqdKxiszwCLcB/s1600/Screenshot%2Bfrom%2B2017-04-02%2B21-35-31.png Thankful. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #49 from rol...@logikalsolutions.com --- For a more in-depth explanation of Division and Sections you can visit a blog I wrote this weekend actually using WordPro on Windows 10 in a VM. http://www.logikalsolutions.com/wordpress/information-technology/thank-you-for-your-future-abandonware/ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #48 from Todd --- Hi All, John Brassington (jo...@email2.me) ask me if I would add this to the conversation as he gets echoes from this bug report but can not post to it for some weird system reason. "We still cannot move off of Lotus Wordpro, because so much of our work relies on the internal brilliant filing system of Tabs. A single document can span some 20 years, with Group tabs (labelled say 2019, 2018 etc) holding individual tabs (documents - tabs within tabs). Fortunately, all of Lotus Smartsuit (Wordpro, 123 etc) works on Windows 10 Pro (32 & 64). If Lotus could do it 15 years ago - what would be so difficult now? John" -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #47 from rol...@logikalsolutions.com --- This needs to return to high priority. It cannot be done in an AGILE hacking on the fly manner. It has to be architected. What also __really__ needs to happen is ensure LO has __all__ of the lwp file support from Lotus Symphony. I remember Symphony handling lwp wy better than LO currently does. U Could the person who uses LWP most days find a nice complex and large lwp document which could be released publicly? Something with numerous tabbed divisions, some hidden, some not. Images. Running page headers and footers. etc. In short, do you have a book you never finished/published that you don't mind tossing up here where it will eventually be found by someone who will put it on Lulu.com for sale without giving you a dime? I go through that with this Java book. https://theminimumyouneedtoknow.com/xbase_book.html I wrote and donated the book to the xBaseJ project. It's included in their download and available as a free PDF elsewhere, yet I continually have to scan Lulu.com and other "upload and go" book sites that check absolutely nothing because people keep trying to sell a POD printed version for $35. I checked my remaining lwp files the other day. The only files I still have left is documentation I did for Navistar. The systems are still in use and the company is still in business, so those can't be placed in the wild. They also weren't complex enough. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #46 from rol...@logikalsolutions.com --- (In reply to Todd from comment #44) > (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #43) > > No question that we have to improve the Navigator, a proposal is here [1]. > > But despite all the shortcommings the basic way of dealing with content is > > working well. From the WYSIWYG point of view I doubt that putting content in > > tabbed sections is working well for the majority of users. And there are > > also many requests to have tabs for multiple documents in one app that would > > clash with your proposal. > > > > Hi Heiko, > > I use both. There is no comparison between the annoyance of the Navigator > and effectiveness division tabs. This is why you now have an army of folks > requestion them. I am not suggesting that you drop the navigator, but add > the extra usability feature of Division Tabs. And of course, add the tabs > into the Navigator as well. > > I am a consultant to small business. I have installed installed LibreOffice > on probably a hundred client's computers. I only have one company that uses > LibreOffice and another that half uses it. Everyone else has removed it in > favour of you-know-who, which I also sell. Part of the reason is that they > don't want to learn anything new, which you can do nothing about. The other > part is of the reason is that so many of the features are difficult and > obscure to use. Please take your users input and try to make LibreOffice > better. > > If you keep digging your feet in, your will continue to loose users. I > don't loose them, I just sell the you-know-who from the evil empire. > I would like to point out that Lotus SmartSuite didn't fail in the marketplace. IBM and Microsoft were having a tiff over the Windows code in OS/2. Microsoft pulled all of their developers from the IBM location (somewhere down near Florida if I remember correctly) and IBM did not have the staff or institutional knowledge to maintain OS/2. The SmartSuite team was located there as well. It ran on both OS/2 and Windows. It lost a lot of members and knowledge as well. The remaining staff got rolled into the Notes team/group and SmartSuite was sunset. IBM has a long history of sunsetting PC products which are industry leaders because upper management only wants to focus on mainframes and services. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #45 from rol...@logikalsolutions.com --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #41) > I don't see the advantage over the Navigator [1] or master documents [2]. > Users who are familiar with one kind of interaction may prefer this but > there is no requirement missing, AFAICS. So the suggestion is to not change > what we have (and where other users are familiar with). > And while we have some interest in the topic, it's at the same time quite > old and of less importance for the whole product. So setting back to medium. > > [1] > https://help.libreoffice.org/6.3/en-US/text/swriter/guide/arrange_chapters. > html?&DbPAR=WRITER&System=UNIX > [2] > https://help.libreoffice.org/6.3/en-US/text/swriter/guide/globaldoc_howtos. > html?DbPAR=WRITER#bm_id3145246 Well, first you would have to begin to understand that comparing Navigator and master documents to TABBED DIVISIONS is like comparing pre-1700 flintlocks to nuclear weapons. Please do not assume a tab is a tab is a tab is a tab. Nothing could be further from the truth. If yourself and the powers that be want LO to never be more than something to write letters home to mom from summer camp with, then so be it. These are the kinds of word processors that don't get donations from people who write as part of their living. I used to donate but I stopped a while back when it became obvious LO wasn't interested in chasing the market of professional writers. Am I wrong? I've written quite a few books over the years. Not as many as some, but more than most, especially those who utter the phrase "I have half a novel in a drawer somewhere." http://theminimumyouneedtoknow.com/ I will be the first to admit LO has achieved the functionality (sans reveal codes) of Word Perfect 3 for DOS. Laying out a book was nearly impossible, but it was the best we had. It forced us to use the archaic manuscript format with a lot of publisher specific back-end processing. Most will probably admit LO has achieved the functionality (sans reveal codes) of Word Perfect 5 for OS/2. Laying out a book was somewhat ham fisted, but it was a Godsend compared to other tools. That's the word processor I used to create this title: https://theminimumyouneedtoknow.com/zincit_book.html The original draft (which took a year of writing) for this book https://theminimumyouneedtoknow.com/app_book.html was written with Lotus WordPro. You may wish to note that it is on Dr. Dobb's list of recommended reading for all developers: https://www.drdobbs.com/tools/developers-reading-list/232500396?pgno=6 I can tell you that book would have never been written, or at least completed, without tabbed divisions to store all research in. The final version had to be ported to Word Perfect because LWP didn't have a built in PDF creator and the reasonably priced "fake printer drivers" which generated PDF files weren't worth a fart in the wind back then. The professional writer's market has been screaming for the return of LWP for a very long time. IBM simply doesn't care about the PC market anymore. Your Navigator came from IBM. They wanted a new editor for Lotus Notes and OO simply wasn't even close to the task. Once they had Lotus Symphony working quite well, they promptly abandoned it just like they abandoned Lotus SmartSuite when it was a mighty fine office suite. How bad has the professional writing world been screaming? So much so that a company has launched a Windows and Mac only off-shoot. They didn't keep the Linux beta. I see they've learned their lesson about pricing now too. https://www.literatureandlatte.com/store/scrivener?tab=Windows When I first looked into that they were charging Word Perfect professional edition prices. Yeah, I have a lot of copies of Word Perfect laying around. Any time a client forces me to put the virus known as Windows on one of my machines. For professional writing I don't touch Microsoft products, not if I can avoid it. Professional writers have a short list of things they need. Running page headers and footers which are specific to a page style. (LO has this) A decent spell checker (LO using external thing which isn't as good as the spell checkers for most commercial word processors, at least it isn't for American English. Probably has a lot to do with the thing trying to stuff British into the same dictionary. There's American and there is British. They are remarkably different.) Nice selection of fonts (LO has this) Automatic grammar checker which flags odd spacing, double words, etc.(Jury still out on this.) TABBED DOCUMENT DIVISIONS to store research, deleted scenes, etc. in within the same document file YET CAN BE INDIVIDUALLY HIDDEN FROM PRINTING AND EXPORTING. Draggable so each tabbed division can contain a chapter. Re-arranging chapters is simply moving tabs. The word processor must recognize tab moves and update page numbering accordingly. Likewise, when a tab is hidden, no matter where i
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #44 from Todd --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #43) > No question that we have to improve the Navigator, a proposal is here [1]. > But despite all the shortcommings the basic way of dealing with content is > working well. From the WYSIWYG point of view I doubt that putting content in > tabbed sections is working well for the majority of users. And there are > also many requests to have tabs for multiple documents in one app that would > clash with your proposal. > Hi Heiko, I use both. There is no comparison between the annoyance of the Navigator and effectiveness division tabs. This is why you now have an army of folks requestion them. I am not suggesting that you drop the navigator, but add the extra usability feature of Division Tabs. And of course, add the tabs into the Navigator as well. I am a consultant to small business. I have installed installed LibreOffice on probably a hundred client's computers. I only have one company that uses LibreOffice and another that half uses it. Everyone else has removed it in favour of you-know-who, which I also sell. Part of the reason is that they don't want to learn anything new, which you can do nothing about. The other part is of the reason is that so many of the features are difficult and obscure to use. Please take your users input and try to make LibreOffice better. If you keep digging your feet in, your will continue to loose users. I don't loose them, I just sell the you-know-who from the evil empire. Thank you for your consideration, -T -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #43 from Heiko Tietze --- No question that we have to improve the Navigator, a proposal is here [1]. But despite all the shortcommings the basic way of dealing with content is working well. From the WYSIWYG point of view I doubt that putting content in tabbed sections is working well for the majority of users. And there are also many requests to have tabs for multiple documents in one app that would clash with your proposal. [1] https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/07/31/how-the-navigator-may-support-object-handling-in-libreoffice-draw/ -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #42 from Todd --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #41) > I don't see the advantage over the Navigator [1] or master documents [2]. > Users who are familiar with one kind of interaction may prefer this but > there is no requirement missing, AFAICS. So the suggestion is to not change > what we have (and where other users are familiar with). > And while we have some interest in the topic, it's at the same time quite > old and of less importance for the whole product. So setting back to medium. Heiko, I am the original porter (OP) of this request. I do constantly used both. In my technical opinion, although your are absolutely correct, both do work, your method is a good 10 times more difficult to use and is not as intuitive to the user. Please do not look at this a "we already have a way, don't fix what is not broken", but as "how can we make this more user friendly". If you like doing thing the obscure, difficult way, leave the current method in place as an alternative. You already support tabs in Calc, so add the feature to Writer should be a piece of cake. It would be wonderful if you would institute this request and would EVER fix the envelope printing, then I and others could FINALLY get off the DEFUNCT Word Pro, which works better than Writer and has been dead and unsupported for about 20 years or so. This is what tabs looks like in Calc. Here are two tabs. One is "January" and its 1:1 text is "Month 1"; the second its "February" and its 1:1 text is "Month 02": Month 01 Month 02 You now have an army of folks also requesting this, so it is time it got implemented. Many thanks, -T -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|high|medium CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |heiko.tietze@documentfounda |.freedesktop.org|tion.org, ||xiscofa...@libreoffice.org Keywords|needsUXEval | --- Comment #41 from Heiko Tietze --- I don't see the advantage over the Navigator [1] or master documents [2]. Users who are familiar with one kind of interaction may prefer this but there is no requirement missing, AFAICS. So the suggestion is to not change what we have (and where other users are familiar with). And while we have some interest in the topic, it's at the same time quite old and of less importance for the whole product. So setting back to medium. [1] https://help.libreoffice.org/6.3/en-US/text/swriter/guide/arrange_chapters.html?&DbPAR=WRITER&System=UNIX [2] https://help.libreoffice.org/6.3/en-US/text/swriter/guide/globaldoc_howtos.html?DbPAR=WRITER#bm_id3145246 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 Heiko Tietze changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|medium |high --- Comment #40 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to Todd from comment #37) > Please place the priority back to high. (In reply to roland from comment #38) > Please return to high priority. Xisco is always open for good arguments. So just change it yourself. Haven't looked into the topic but put it on the agenda for the next design meeting now. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #39 from rol...@logikalsolutions.com --- While you are at it, purge all of the java code from this product. That's causing massive issues on multiple platforms. Icky nasty java code and garbage collection causing real performance degradation. Will log another bug for that though. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #37 from Todd --- (In reply to Xisco Faulí from comment #36) > Changing priority back to 'medium' since the number of duplicates is lower > than 5 Comments 17, 23, 25, 26, 28, 35 makes six duplicates. Please place the priority back to high. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #38 from rol...@logikalsolutions.com --- (In reply to Xisco Faulí from comment #36) > Changing priority back to 'medium' since the number of duplicates is lower > than 5 Please return to high priority. Allowing duplicates to rot into oblivion isn't reducing the importance of this bug or improving the product. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 Xisco Faulí changed: What|Removed |Added Priority|high|medium --- Comment #36 from Xisco Faulí --- Changing priority back to 'medium' since the number of duplicates is lower than 5 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #35 from V Stuart Foote --- *** Bug 121809 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #34 from rol...@logikalsolutions.com --- (In reply to Heiko Tietze from comment #33) > (In reply to David from comment #29) > > This bug most definitely is not a duplicate of bug 37134. Bug 37134 > > concerns having each document as a tab within a single application window. > > This bug is about sections of a document being displayed as tabs within the > > document. > > The screenshots show a different situation. What I understand by " sections > of a document being displayed" separately is what MSO has where you can > split the scrollbar. That would be an incorrect understanding. The screenshot uploaded 2016-05-26 clearly shows a completely different situation. I'm several weeks away from finishing my current contract and going home. When I get home I will actually write a multi-part document and take screen shots for you. I may even burn a few days attempting to install SmartSuite under Wine. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #33 from Heiko Tietze --- (In reply to David from comment #29) > This bug most definitely is not a duplicate of bug 37134. Bug 37134 > concerns having each document as a tab within a single application window. > This bug is about sections of a document being displayed as tabs within the > document. The screenshots show a different situation. What I understand by " sections of a document being displayed" separately is what MSO has where you can split the scrollbar. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #32 from rol...@logikalsolutions.com --- Please focus on the Lotus SmartSuite 98 version. This was when the product ran on both Windows and OS/2 and was pretty much the hay day of the software. Honestly, until I did this search I didn't know IBM didn't officially kill the product until 2014. https://archive.org/details/LotusSmartSuite99 Don't know if I would trust the download link on that site though. It "looks" like an official IBM download. I would be surprised if IBM just dumped it onto the PC market for free, but IBM sold off the PC business quite some time ago so it is possible. Ebay seems to have some legitimate copies. https://www.ebay.com/sch/3768/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=lotus+smartsuite I've not used it, but Scrivener has some of the same capabilities. https://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener/overview I would be very careful where one installs it. Lots of people making claims like this ebay item. https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-LOTUS-1-2-3-SMARTSUITE-9-7-Organizer-Approach-Word-Pro-Windows-XP-7-8-10/143282147342?hash=item215c48100e:g:qc0AAOSwnONZBBAC I had a Windows 7 ultimate edition I did manage to install it on. Other version of Windows it would jack up. Maybe Windows 10 got a bit better about being backwardly compatible with software really written for 98 and barely updated to run on 2k? Best to set up a VM with an old copy of 98 or 2k. There is a really long message thread here: http://www.matnewman.com/webs/personal/matblog.nsf/dx/a-quiet-farewell-lotus-1-2-3-organizer-and-smartsuite?opendocument&comments It's about all things Lotus Organizer and Lotus Smartsuite by professionals and journalists who still use it. It appears some are successfully installing it on Windows 10. If you are "significantly reworking the UI" then you might want to take a good look at Lotus Organizer https://www.revolvy.com/page/IBM-Lotus-Organizer?cr=1 as well as the Smart Center or Command Center (name depends on who you ask.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lotus_SmartCenter_9.8_with_open_drawers.png The file cabinet drawers were a really nice touch. It made everything feel completely integrated, especially with Organizer and email. It was and is much nicer than opening the LibreOffice main application and getting a list of apps down the side and a screen full of document images. Just my 0.002 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37 ||134 Status|REOPENED|NEW CC||libreoffice-ux-advise@lists ||.freedesktop.org Keywords||needsUXEval --- Comment #31 from V Stuart Foote --- Agree. => NEW bug 37134 as see also, much of the framework needed to provide Tabbed UI (holding Page, Section, Division, MasterDoc elements) would first need to be fleshed out with a proper MDI Both need extensive UX design and development effort. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #30 from rol...@logikalsolutions.com --- David is correct. Under Lotus WordPro a document was its own little file system contained within a file. Each tab was a document section so you could keep research notes, outlines, to-do, and make each chapter of a book its own tab. A book could be re-arranged by dragging the tabs to change the order. When printing you were allowed to select a range of tabs for printing. Another poster was correct in that it is much like the "sheets" concept of a spreadsheet. What is important to understand is this wasn't just a navigation tool like the Navigator sidebar. It was a document organization tool. Instead of having to remember to copy an entire set of files when sending the document to a new machine there was one file conceptually consisting of many individual files. Custom styles were also contained within it. I believe it also had a "fat" document feature which could be turned on. The "fat" document feature, much like that of Word Perfect, would also store the fonts within the document. Not just the name and family, but the entire font so a document could be moved to a completely different machine without fear of pagination and appearance getting scrambled by the new machine not having the correct fonts. This is a real problem today with LO. If you are creating a document on a Debian based machine which has the t1-cyrillic font set and send it to OpenSuSE or some other RPM based distro machine where that font package isn't in the repos one must jump through quite a few hoops to get the fonts installed on the machine. Microsoft Word users rarely face this issue because they tend to be far less creative, using only the fonts bundled with Word and Windows. According to this link, https://www.file-extensions.org/lwp-file-extension LO already supports the LWP file format. I'm actually okay with LO fleshing out the LWP support completely and only enabling these features when using the LWP file format. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 David changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|DUPLICATE |--- Status|RESOLVED|REOPENED --- Comment #29 from David --- This bug most definitely is not a duplicate of bug 37134. Bug 37134 concerns having each document as a tab within a single application window. This bug is about sections of a document being displayed as tabs within the document. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also|https://bugs.documentfounda | |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33 | |232 | -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added See Also|https://bugs.documentfounda | |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37 | |134,| |https://bugs.documentfounda | |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 | |1776| CC||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> changed: What|Removed |Added Resolution|--- |DUPLICATE Status|NEW |RESOLVED --- Comment #28 from Roman Kuznetsov <79045_79...@mail.ru> --- *** This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 37134 *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #27 from Stian --- Damn, people have been asking for this since 2003! :-O I find it very strange this wouldn't be implemented. Especially when the functionality is implemented in Calc. It seems logical to me that the source code in Calc for that functionality could be easily implemented into Writer. About the file format compliance. Since this hasn't been implemented or even made ready within the standard, I'd suggest making an extended ODT format (or not, it doesn't matter as long as it works in Libre Office). What matters is the feature implementation, really. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added CC||stian.aarskaug@protonmail.c ||h --- Comment #26 from V Stuart Foote --- *** Bug 121809 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab ( similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 Adolfo Jayme changed: What|Removed |Added CC||jo...@email2.me --- Comment #25 from Adolfo Jayme --- *** Bug 38401 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab ( similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 Thomas Lendo changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||108137 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108137 [Bug 108137] [META] Writer feature enhancements -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab ( similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #24 from Alex Thurgood --- As a former user of Lotus Smartsuite, I can only agree. Another use case, as illustrated by the duplicate I just flagged, would be the ability to use the tabs to create tabbed forms for database work. Currently, in a form, one can only use sections which one can hide or reveal, but the form designer is still constrained to single page and corresponding page width. Using tabs in forms to jump from one data entry section to another is a common UI-design tool in db form design, and is present in many corresponding database products. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab ( similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 Alex Thurgood changed: What|Removed |Added CC||c.bu...@posteo.jp --- Comment #23 from Alex Thurgood --- *** Bug 111431 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab ( similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 V Stuart Foote changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks|101776 | Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101776 [Bug 101776] place widget navigation aids between status bar and 'document' view/ sheets/ presentation -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab ( similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 Zenaan Harkness changed: What|Removed |Added CC||z...@freedbms.net See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33 ||232 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab ( similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 Zenaan Harkness changed: What|Removed |Added Blocks||101776 See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 ||1776 Referenced Bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101776 [Bug 101776] place widget navigation aids between status bar and 'document' view/ sheets/ presentation -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab ( similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #22 from rol...@logikalsolutions.com --- Created attachment 125298 --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=125298&action=edit Better screen shot of single WordPro document with tabbed divisions and sections Here is a better example of tabbed document in WordPro. I installed SmartSuite 98 under wine on 64-bit Ubuntu 16.04. I took the default wine config of XP. Notice how the tab I titled Main Document expands to include Section 1 as that section is part of the division. Research Notes and Another Division are not different document files. They are different divisions within the same WordPro document file. I do hate to promote anything on Amazon, but several people are selling it on there. http://www.amazon.com/Lotus-SmartSuite-9-8-Millenium-Edition/dp/B0002Z9TGO Other places: https://www.buycheapsoftware.com/details~productID~1004.asp Not certain about this download site: http://lotus-smartsuite.joydownload.com/ Quite honestly, SmartSuite was the best office package ever created. IBM just chose to bungle it. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 Adolfo Jayme changed: What|Removed |Added See Also||https://bz.apache.org/ooo/s ||how_bug.cgi?id=20701, ||https://bugs.documentfounda ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37 ||134 -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #21 from rol...@logikalsolutions.com --- Documents opened as tabs is a _totally_ unrelated animal. You presented a fish and this bug is talking about a tiger. Lotus WordPro, and another commercial product currently on the market, had tabbed document sections. You could drag&drop the tabs to visually re-order a book or some other document. You could control which tabs were included in print jobs (so your research notes didn't get printed with your manuscript.) Many authors and technical writers use the tabbed document sections to contain a chapter, TOC, index, research, to-do lists, etc. When you want to work on any particular section you click on the tab and work on it. The massive difference here is that everything is in a single data file. What currently exists is an unworkable concession of having 90+ files in a single directory. Very easy for catastrophe to strike. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #20 from sasha.libreoff...@gmail.com --- Created attachment 108964 --> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=108964&action=edit screenshot of Libreoffice with several document opened as tabs -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 --- Comment #19 from Todd --- Dear Libre Office Developers, Guys! Ignoring this is an absolute DISASTER! I just found out the hard way that RHEL 7 and its clones are 64 bit only and that it no longer will run 32 bit Windows apps under Wine, meaning no Word Pro under Wine. I could switch to Libre Office on this system, but the PERFORMANCE HIT on loosing the Division Tabs is SO GREAT that I will instead RIP OUT RHEL7 and install Fedora. Wow! What a pain in the neck (not my exact word)! This is how much of a performance hit you are causing by IGNORING THIS REQUEST. PLEASE STOP DRAGGING YOUR FEET! This was request on 2011-01-15! This isn't funny anymore! Yours frustratingly so, -T -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs
[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 33173] Tabbed UI (Writer): Division/section-per-tab (similar to Lotus WordPro)
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33173 Owen Genat changed: What|Removed |Added Summary|Functionality request for |Tabbed UI (Writer): |Writer: add tabs like in|Division/section-per-tab |Lotus Wordpro Type Tabbed |(similar to Lotus WordPro) |Divisions | --- Comment #18 from Owen Genat --- Summary amended for clarity. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. ___ Libreoffice-bugs mailing list Libreoffice-bugs@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-bugs