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--- Comment #31 from Lars Jødal  ---
(In reply to Hussam Al-Tayeb from comment #30)
> Please don't spread incorrect information.
> 
> It does not resemble the Microsoft Word behavior. I just tested on both
> Sharepoint and desktop MS Office 365.
> Please test again. You probably did not understand the bug.
> Libreoffice replaces the deleted text with each recursion while
> Microsoft Office does not replace deleted text.

Just tested once again with Word from MS Office 365, confirming that a variant
of this bug is indeed present in MS Office: Opening some text, deleting with
track-changes on and shown, and then using search: the searched text is
found also in the deleted text and replaced with non-deleted text. I have
reported it to MS Office as a bug.

Well, to get back to the point of a LibreOffice forum: The bug is still present
in LO 7.3.2.2

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--- Comment #30 from Hussam Al-Tayeb  ---
Please don't spread incorrect information.

It does not resemble the Microsoft Word behavior. I just tested on both
Sharepoint and desktop MS Office 365.
Please test again. You probably did not understand the bug.
Libreoffice replaces the deleted text with each recursion while
Microsoft Office does not replace deleted text.

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--- Comment #29 from Lars Jødal  ---
(In reply to NISZ LibreOffice Team from comment #23)
> Created attachment 159953 [details]
> Screenshot of Word and Writer side by side after following the steps
> 
> Still happens in:
> 
> Version: 7.0.0.0.alpha0+ (x64)
> [...]
> 
> Also: this behavior is the same as in Word.

As noted by NISZ LibreOffice Team, the behaviour is very much similar i Word:
Also in Word, Search & Replace while showing track-changes, does search within
deleted text and replaces with non-deleted text. Just tested with MS Office
365.

I can see why it can sometimes be relevant to search also in deleted text, e.g.
to find where you (or a colleague) deleted something. And if you do not want
this, just turn off showing track-changes. But I fail to see why anybody would
want already-deleted text to be part of replacing. (Even before the problems of
doing more than one search & replace, leading to several instances of the new
text.) Well, failing the see the use could be just my lack of imagination. So:

Can anybody come up with a case where searching within deleted text and
replacing with new text would be the intended behaviour? 

Put another way: Can anybody see a reason why this would NOT be a bug
(happening to be shared by LO and MS Office)?

PS: Word notes the user that "We are through searching the document" after one
pass, so the user will at least know that if s/he continues replacing, it will
be in text that had already been considered. This will stop most users from
repeated replacement, but does not change the question how replacing at all in
deleted text could be the intended behaviour.

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--- Comment #28 from stragu  ---
reproduced in:

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--- Comment #27 from Lars Jødal  ---
Using LO 7.1.6.2, this is also a problem for me. If show track-changes is on,
search-and-replace will find text in deleted text, replace it with NON-DELETED
replacement text, and can then start over, replacing it once again.

As a result, search-and-replace is effectively unusable when track-changes are
shown (something that I as a user can only learn the hard way). IMHO, the
importance is higher than the current setting of "normal".

Two possible solutions were mentioned in comment 19:

(1) Writer should not find search strings in deleted text at all (meaning text
deleted in Track Changes mode)

Or:

(2) Writer still finds search strings in all text (including deleted text in
Track Changes mode) and also replaces them, but replaced text should be flagged
as deleted.

A possible third could be:

(3) In search-and-replace mode, deleted text is not found (i.e., option 1 in
this case), while in search-only mode, deleted text is found if track-changes
are shown (i.e., option 2 in this case).

The advantage of option 3 is that it is still possible to search in all the
text that is seen on the screen. But I have no problems going for the most
simple solution: Option 1.


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Build ID: 0e133318fcee89abacd6a7d077e292f1145735c3
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Clearly a bug to me, deleted content is still gone even when TC is on (comment
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--- Comment #25 from Hussam Al-Tayeb  ---
(In reply to NISZ LibreOffice Team from comment #23)
> Created attachment 159953 [details]
> Screenshot of Word and Writer side by side after following the steps
> 
> Still happens in:
> 
> Version: 7.0.0.0.alpha0+ (x64)
> Build ID: 151d95376a13907553032efc271fb0a7a27c9782
> CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 6.3 Build 9600; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL:
> win; 
> Locale: hu-HU (hu_HU); UI-Language: en-US
> Calc: CL
> 
> Also: this behavior is the same as in Word.

Try replacing document with file a few more times.

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--- Comment #24 from Hussam Al-Tayeb  ---
I cannot re(In reply to NISZ LibreOffice Team from comment #23)
> Created attachment 159953 [details]
> Screenshot of Word and Writer side by side after following the steps
> 
> Still happens in:
> 
> Version: 7.0.0.0.alpha0+ (x64)
> Build ID: 151d95376a13907553032efc271fb0a7a27c9782
> CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 6.3 Build 9600; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL:
> win; 
> Locale: hu-HU (hu_HU); UI-Language: en-US
> Calc: CL
> 
> Also: this behavior is the same as in Word.

I cannot reproduce this issue in Microsoft Word. I have an Office 365
subscription and I only use .docx files.

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--- Comment #23 from NISZ LibreOffice Team  ---
Created attachment 159953
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=159953=edit
Screenshot of Word and Writer side by side after following the steps

Still happens in:

Version: 7.0.0.0.alpha0+ (x64)
Build ID: 151d95376a13907553032efc271fb0a7a27c9782
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 6.3 Build 9600; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win; 
Locale: hu-HU (hu_HU); UI-Language: en-US
Calc: CL

Also: this behavior is the same as in Word.

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--- Comment #21 from Gerry  ---
The bug is still present in v 6.1.5.2. I don't have the most recent LO release
at hand, so please can somebody test this against the newest version?

Generally, I hope that this bug receives some attention. In every larger
project (with track changes), I encountered issues related to this bug that I
had to clean manually. Is a fix so complicated?



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--- Comment #19 from Gerry  ---
IMHO there are two possible ways to fix this bug:

Either:

(1) Writer should not find search strings in deleted text at all (meaning text
deleted in Track Changes mode)

Or:

(2) Writer still finds search strings in all text (including deleted text in
Track Changes mode) and also replaces them, but replaced text should be flagged
as deleted.

Solution 1 is preferable to solution 2. However, if solution 2 is easier to
implement, IMHO it would be also okay.

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--- Comment #18 from Gerry  ---
This bug still exists in LO 6.0 and is still very annoying. 

Example:
If you work with long documents in a team, track changes is often enabled. If
you then, for example, replace the British "ise" / "isation" with "ize" /
"ization", then you end up with lots of rubbish in the document. LibreOffice
Writer does also replace the string in all deleted words and displays the
replaced string as not deleted (!). In other words, everywhere in the document
are nonsense "ize" / "ization" strings, which you have to manually clean. ->
extremely annoying and time-consuming bug!  

Version: 6.0.3.2
Build-ID: 1:6.0.3~rc2-0ubuntu0.16.04.1~lo2
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Bug still present in Version: 5.1.4.2
Build-ID: 1:5.1.4-0ubuntu1

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This issue is still present in

Version: 5.0.1.2
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Locale: es-ES (es_ES)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 36582] Find and replace finds/replaces text deleted with record/track changes

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Xisco Faulí aniste...@gmail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Whiteboard|bibisected35|
   |bibisected35older   |
 CC||aniste...@gmail.com

--- Comment #11 from Xisco Faulí aniste...@gmail.com ---
According to comment 7 this isn't a regression, thus remove bibisected35
bibisected35older from whiteboard

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 36582] Find and replace finds/replaces text deleted with record/track changes

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Björn Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords||regression

--- Comment #9 from Björn Michaelsen bjoern.michael...@canonical.com ---
Bulk change: Bibisected bugs can be assumed to be regressions.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 36582] Find and replace finds/replaces text deleted with record/track changes

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Michael Stahl mst...@redhat.com changed:

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   Keywords|regression  |

--- Comment #10 from Michael Stahl mst...@redhat.com ---
removing erroneously added regression, see comment #7

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Michael Stahl mst...@redhat.com changed:

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   Keywords|regression  |

--- Comment #7 from Michael Stahl mst...@redhat.com ---
please somebody tell me which OOo/LO version did not have this bug.

i can reproduce it going back to OOo 3.0.1, so doesn't look like a regression.

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--- Comment #8 from stfhell stfh...@googlemail.com ---
I can't remember that this has ever worked differently. The corresponding OOo
bug was filed in 2007 for OOo 2.3:
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=82591

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stfhell stfh...@googlemail.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Hardware|x86-64 (AMD64)  |All
 CC||stfh...@googlemail.com
Summary|Find and replace replaces   |Find and replace
   |deleted words (from Record  |finds/replaces text deleted
   |changes)|with record/track changes

--- Comment #6 from stfhell stfh...@googlemail.com ---
Still a problem in LO 3.6.2.2. In summary: When Show tracked changes is
active, Find will find text that has been deleted with track changes
activated. Find  replace will replace already deleted text. When you do
Find  replace with activated track changes, it will replace the same
(already deleted) text again and again. Replace all works insofar as it
replaces each occurance only once.

Actually it can be useful if Find also searches tracked deletions - after all
you use track changes to be able to keep deleted text in the document. But I
think it's usually not what you want. So you would have to disable show
tracked changes just to do a Find. I cannot imagine a situation where you
would like already deleted text to be replaced by newly inserted text.

It's definitely a bug that LO does not at least move the cursor behind the
replaced text when you choose Replace in the Find  replace dialogue with
track changes activated. That leads to the same text being replaced again and
again.

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