[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 38781] LOCALHELP for WRITER Navigation Toolbar ('View -> Toolbars -> Navigation') missing

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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 CC||olivier.hallot@libreoffice.
   ||org, rayk...@gmail.com

--- Comment #18 from V Stuart Foote  ---
@Olivier, giving this moved documentation issue a poke.

The current Navigator help [1] conflates the 'Navigation Toolbar' [2] with the
Navigator UIs 'Navigate by' modal selection via drop list and Next - Previous
buttons--as brought in from the reworked Find bar.

What should the 'Navigate by' element in the Navigator be called in the Help? 

Calling the Navigator's component "Navigation toolbar" is being confused with
the View -> Toolbars -> 'Navigation' toolbar.

And, as for bug 115817, its function (internally documented in source) could
still use some type of attention in the Help.

=-ref-=
[1]
https://help.libreoffice.org/7.0/en-US/text/shared/guide/navigator_setcursor.html

[2] a contextual toolbar implemented with bug 32869 and subject of bug 115817

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 38781] LOCALHELP for WRITER Navigation Toolbar ('View -> Toolbars -> Navigation') missing

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Olivier Hallot  changed:

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 Resolution|--- |MOVED
 Status|NEW |RESOLVED

--- Comment #17 from Olivier Hallot  ---
closing.
follow  bug 115817.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 38781] LOCALHELP for WRITER Navigation Toolbar ('View -> Toolbars -> Navigation') missing

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   Keywords|needsUXEval |
 CC|libreoffice-ux-advise@lists |tietze.he...@gmail.com
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--- Comment #16 from Heiko Tietze  ---
(In reply to Olivier Hallot from comment #10)
> Adding UX eval to set if this navigation toolbar is really valuable to the
> UI. 
> 
> Behaviour is apparently erratic and lack of description does not help user.

Discussed this in the design meeting. The implementation might have room for
improvement, ie. position/popup of controls, but the functionality itself is
not questioned. So we keep it, perhaps in the future not as a standalone
toolbar.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 38781] LOCALHELP for WRITER Navigation Toolbar ('View -> Toolbars -> Navigation') missing

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V Stuart Foote  changed:

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   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32
   ||869

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--- Comment #15 from Heiko Tietze  ---
UX topic moved to bug 115817, keeping this one open for docu.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 38781] LOCALHELP for WRITER Navigation Toolbar ('View -> Toolbars -> Navigation') missing

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--- Comment #14 from V Stuart Foote  ---
Aslo, if fully functional seems like this set of controls--.uno:NavigateBack &
.uno:NavigateForward would make sense to appear in the Standard toolbar, or
maybe the Navigator dialog adjacent to the PreviousPage/NextPage buttons.

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 CC||vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu
   See Also||https://bz.apache.org/ooo/s
   ||how_bug.cgi?id=5608

--- Comment #13 from V Stuart Foote  ---
The source [1][2] is reasonably well documented. And the Greenberg & Cockburn
[3] "recency with temporal ordering" based back and forward history navigation
remains.  But, if fully functional would expect the feature to be less about
navigating hyperlinks (internal or external) and for the control to provide
more generic Back and Forward movements within a document.

A GoToMark, GoToFLy, GotoINetAttr, GotoOutline (index), GotoOutline (string),
GotoRegion, GotoRefMark, GotoNextTOXBase, GotoTable,GotoFld, and GotoRedline
action were linked as history navigation targets. 

Unfortunately, not clear the "recency with temporal ordering" of the navigation
history is still implemented correctly. I couldn't identify where in UI a user
could "add" a mark to trigger inclusion of a SwUnoCsr position to the
m_entries[] list and _activate_ the control. And while inserting an internal
hyperlink--reference, bookmark, header, footer, etc. the Cusor is registered
into the navigation history, and activates the Navigation toolbar
controls--other actions for cursor/focus movement do not.  For example a
Go-to-End of document should provide a Navigation toolbar action to return
from.

=-ref-=
[1]
https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/source/uibase/wrtsh/navmgr.cxx?a=true

[2] https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/source/uibase/inc/navsh.hxx

[3] https://prism.ucalgary.ca/bitstream/handle/1880/45977/1999-641-04.pdf

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Heiko Tietze  changed:

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--- Comment #12 from Heiko Tietze  ---
*** Bug 115817 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

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--- Comment #11 from Heiko Tietze  ---
Introduced with bug 32869 in
https://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sw/source/uibase/wrtsh/navmgr.cxx
the purpose is to navigate over hyperlinks in the document. We could enhance
the toolbar with next/previous page.

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--- Comment #10 from Olivier Hallot  ---
Adding UX eval to set if this navigation toolbar is really valuable to the UI. 

Behaviour is apparently erratic and lack of description does not help user.

e.g.

https://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/114955/navigation-toolbar-appears-on-inserting-headerfooter-in-a-document/

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--- Comment #7 from Kumāra kumara.bhik...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to comment #6)
 (In reply to comment #5)
 
 @Paul Weiss
 That's something different, you found the Help for the Navigator, not the
 Navigation Toolbar (You can toggle view for Navigation Toolbar in menu
 'View - Toolbars - Navigation'.
 
 But I admit, that's rather worrying, because the Navigator also has a
 (different) Navigation toolbar for what you found some help.

I agree. Perhaps the one in Navigator can be renamed as Navigator Toolbar.

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Summary|LOCALHELP for Navigation|LOCALHELP for WRITER
   |Toolbar missing |Navigation Toolbar ('View
   ||- Toolbars - Navigation')
   ||missing

--- Comment #6 from Rainer Bielefeld libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de ---
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@Paul Weiss
That's something different, you found the Help for the Navigator, not the
Navigation Toolbar (You can toggle view for Navigation Toolbar in menu
'View - Toolbars - Navigation'.

But I admit, that's rather worrying, because the Navigator also has a
(different) Navigation toolbar for what you found some help.

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