[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 45589] Show bookmarks: make them visible in a document

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Michael Stahl (CIB)  changed:

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 Resolution|--- |FIXED
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--- Comment #19 from Michael Stahl (CIB)  ---
i've implemented something, will push to master now, please test...

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 45589] Show bookmarks: make them visible in a document

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--- Comment #18 from zionoto  ---
(In reply to Yousuf Philips (jay) (retired) from comment #6)
> Google Docs is the only word processor that shows bookmarks 

MS word has the possibility to show bookmarks as non printable chars: the
bookmarks are represented by square brackets as follows: [bookmarked text]
please see the attached screenshot I have just tested.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 45589] Show bookmarks: make them visible in a document

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--- Comment #17 from zionoto  ---
Created attachment 155159
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ms Word book mark representation

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 45589] Show bookmarks: make them visible in a document

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Version|unspecified |Inherited From OOo
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--- Comment #16 from Cor Nouws  ---
For all people/teams that really would love to have this (without extension):
apart from coding yourself, there are wonderful developers that may be hired
for nice improvements in LibreOffice.
  https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/professional-support/

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 45589] Show bookmarks: make them visible in a document

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--- Comment #15 from mace  ---
I also support this request. My use case are citations in Zotero. In order to
increase the compatibility with MSoffice users, I use the option to insert
Zotero citations as bookmark (fields are the standard). This enables me to
share my LO produced documents with MSoffice users much easier. However, the
downside is that its very hard to know where the citations are. I would
therefore support that bookmarks can be highlighted in grey in the same way as
fields can be.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 45589] Show bookmarks: make them visible in a document

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--- Comment #14 from Nicolas Göddel  ---
My coworkers would really appreciate it if they would be able to show bookmarks
without changing the layout like it happens when one enables field names. They
often delete bookmarks in a 2000+ pages document without even noticing it. The
bookmarks are there for the subject catalog at the end of the document. This
especially happens if a bookmark is at the beginning of a paragraph.

I think it would be enough to make bookmarks visible like variable setters,
non-breaking spaces or somehow similar.

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--- Comment #13 from Cor Nouws  ---
A recent extension is this one
  https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions/bookmark-toggle

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 45589] Show bookmarks: make them visible in a document

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Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108288
[Bug 108288] [META] Bookmark bugs and enhancements
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 45589] Show bookmarks: make them visible in a document

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--- Comment #12 from Leopoldo Saggin  ---
In order to show bookmarks into LibreOffice I'm still using an extension which
was released for [Sun] OpenOffice, ie "Visible Bookmarks" by Rup.Xamqon which
you can get from:
http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/visiblebookmarks
I translated it into Italian and this is why I know it. It is far from perfect,
but it works. It was released by the author as a patch for this problem which
was already present (and still not solved) in OpenOffice and he invited to vote
for the solution of this bug also in its "Help" which integrates with OOo/LibO
Help.

My 2 cents tip.
Topoldo

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 45589] Show bookmarks: make them visible in a document

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--- Comment #10 from Manuel Lopez-Ibanez  ---
(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #9)
> (In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #8)
> > Never used bookmarks before trying them out in google docs and presentation
> > of it was very user friendly and quite easy to understand.
> 
> In business (templates mostly) bookmarks may be used frequent for reasons
> that I mentioned. And then the exact position does matter. I you are editing
> in a line and need to be careful for a bookmark, it's nice to know were it
> is.

My current user-case. Hyperlinking citations within a text to a list of
references. Using cross-references for this doesn't work since there is no way
to edit the text used in the citation. My list of references is double-column,
thus it would be very useful to see which bookmark name I have associated to
each entry in case I end up editing the entry or two entries that could have
very similar bookmark name.

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--- Comment #6 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
Dont think that it would be good to tie it in with non-printable characters, as
we would want this feature on by default and not all users toggle the "pi"
button. Google Docs is the only word processor that shows bookmarks and it does
so in the margins, similar to how we show line numbers (attachment 113660).

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--- Comment #7 from Cor Nouws  ---
Hi Jay,

(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #6)
> Dont think that it would be good to tie it in with non-printable characters,
> as we would want this feature on by default and not all users toggle the
> "pi" button.

Users are pretty keen on being able to handle settings for e.g. showing page
margins apart from non printable characters. I could imagine the same with
bookmarks? 

Say  Options > Writer > Formatting Aids ... Display of: [ ] Bookmarks

(For me, it's no problem to have it combined with no printable characters.)

> Google Docs is the only word processor that shows bookmarks and

>From what I remember Word had a setting to to show bookmarks.

> it does so in the margins, similar to how we show line numbers (attachment
> 113660 [details]).

In the text is the only thing that makes sense, IMO. Bookmarks can be single
points and selections. Bookmarks are (also) used to mark pieces in the text for
referencing, filling, ... So only an indicator in the margin, would not help.

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--- Comment #8 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips  ---
Created attachment 118519
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bookmarks in ms word

(In reply to Cor Nouws from comment #7)
> Hi Jay,

Hi Cor,

> Users are pretty keen on being able to handle settings for e.g. showing page
> margins apart from non printable characters. I could imagine the same with
> bookmarks? 

Yes it should be a setting configurable by itself.

> Say  Options > Writer > Formatting Aids ... Display of: [ ] Bookmarks

Yes that would be a good place for it in the Options dialog, but it should also
be in the View menu.

> From what I remember Word had a setting to to show bookmarks.

Yes you are correct that Word has it, but it isnt on by default and you have to
go into its options dialog to turn it on. I've attached a screenshot of how it
looks when its bookmarked at the beginning and end of a line as well as on a
selection.

> In the text is the only thing that makes sense, IMO. Bookmarks can be single
> points and selections. Bookmarks are (also) used to mark pieces in the text
> for referencing, filling, ... So only an indicator in the margin, would not
> help.

Placing it in the text would cause it to mix with other stuff, e.g. comments,
and would result in it not looking good, i assume thats why its turned off by
default in ms word. Also bookmarks in html documents can only be positioned at
the beginning of a line. The main point of the marker in the margin would be to
let you know that there is a bookmark on that line. Never used bookmarks before
trying them out in google docs and presentation of it was very user friendly
and quite easy to understand.

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--- Comment #9 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Yousuf (Jay) Philips from comment #8)
> Yes that would be a good place for it in the Options dialog, but it should
> also be in the View menu.

Good :)


> Yes you are correct that Word has it, but it isnt on by default and you have
> to go into its options dialog to turn it on. I've attached a screenshot of

Indeed, well hidden ;)

> Placing it in the text would cause it to mix with other stuff, e.g.
> comments, and would result in it not looking good, i assume thats why its
> turned off by default in ms word.

yes...

> Also bookmarks in html documents can only
> be positioned at the beginning of a line.

... ok..

> The main point of the marker in
> the margin would be to let you know that there is a bookmark on that line.

No  :)

> Never used bookmarks before trying them out in google docs and presentation
> of it was very user friendly and quite easy to understand.

In business (templates mostly) bookmarks may be used frequent for reasons that
I mentioned. And then the exact position does matter. I you are editing in a
line and need to be careful for a bookmark, it's nice to know were it is.

Still, a indicator in the margin is better than nothing, of course.

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