[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 48457] FORMATTING - proposal for side headings, (margin headings)

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48457

--- Comment #7 from Bob Harvey  ---
Been experimenting (again) with this frame idea, and it is clumsy - there is no
obvious link to the paragraph text, so pagination, particularly automatic page
flow, cannot be relied upon without some manual intervention, I find.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 48457] FORMATTING - proposal for side headings, (margin headings)

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Zenaan Harkness  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

   See Also||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10
   ||1753,
   ||https://bugs.documentfounda
   ||tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48
   ||459

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 48457] FORMATTING - proposal for side headings, (margin headings)

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Zenaan Harkness  changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Depends on||101773, 101765

--- Comment #6 from Zenaan Harkness  ---
Just found this bug. Sideheads are also called Marginalia.

Bug #101773 (link a frame style to a para style, so you can just double click
the para style on your "sidehead" pre-paragraph), should solve this UX issue.

Examples files are in bug #101753

See also bug #101765, which is the other part of the UX / user experience to
competently facilitate sideheads / marginalia.


Referenced Bugs:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101765
[Bug 101765] UI no cursor movement from para to text frame (holding marginalia
annotation) to subsequent para
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101773
[Bug 101773] link frame style to paragraph style so applying paragraph style
also applies frame style to current (or selected) paragraph
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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 48457] FORMATTING - proposal for side headings, (margin headings)

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--- Comment #5 from Bob Harvey  ---
Another bump.  I am still hoping for this feature.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 48457] FORMATTING - proposal for side headings, (margin headings)

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--- Comment #2 from Bob Harvey bobhar...@europe.com ---
Bug 48459 was recently marked 'needs info' because of the linkage to an
external bugzilla for another product.  I notice this one has not been.   In
the spirit of co-operation I shall add similar notes here.

This proposal is that paragraph styles, especially those used as heading
styles, could be specified to appear in the left (or right?) margin rather than
between the margins.  This would allow the creation of marginal headings such
as are frequently used in text books, where the marginal headings can be
included in TOC as required.

The linked bug includes several examples and it might be good to summarise
these:

--
1. REGULAR HEADING

Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.

  SIDE HEAD Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.


2. ANOTHER REGULAR HEADING

   LONG Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
  SIDE HEAD bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.

   PATHETIC Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.
  SIDE HEAD 

Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla.
--

Note that the long side heading wraps independently within the margin relative
to the succeeding body text.   The 'pathetic' side heading, when wrapped, is
longer than the succeeding body text, requiring additional white space to be
enforced in the next paragraph of body text to avoid accidental alignment
(imagine if the pathetic side head were actually 5 lines long.  The second
paragraph of body text would still have to start below it)  This is why using
text boxes to contain the heading would not work.



The other issue is what happens with odd-and-even page styles.  In a book
layout the marginal header always wants to be on the outside, and to adjust
itself as the page length reflows - something else that can't be automatic with
the use of text boxes.  A side heading or marginal heading should insert itself
in the appropriate margin without operator interaction.

-left page --right page-
SIDE HEAD fred fred fred ||  nellie nellie
  fred fred fred ||  nellie nellie
  jock jock jock ||
  jock jock jock ||  fred fred fred SIDE HEAD
  mary mary mary ||  fred fred fred



I don't know whether design decisions for this sort of change would also affect
Bug 48459, the proposal for run-in headings.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 48457] FORMATTING - proposal for side headings, (margin headings)

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--- Comment #3 from Bob Harvey bobhar...@europe.com ---
A colleague reading this suggests, and I think she is right, that the
additional white space in the body enforced to align a second paragraph with
the bottom of the 'pathetic side heading' should be optional.  Paragraph flow
in the body may want to be normal, or it may want to avoid the preceeding side
heading.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 48457] FORMATTING - proposal for side headings, (margin headings)

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--- Comment #1 from Bob Harvey bobhar...@europe.com 2012-04-09 03:15:05 PDT 
---
See https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48459 for similar in-line
headings proposal.

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