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--- Comment #31 from Ulrich Windl  ---
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The issue here is not the default setting; instead the issue is that images
still overlap when the setting is "no overlap".

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--- Comment #30 from Hernan  ---
The default behaviour is still "Allow overlap". I think it should be changed as
"No overlap" as default. I can't think of the usage of having completely
overlapped images as default when inserting several images at once.

I have tested this with LibreOffice Writer ver 7.0.3.1 under Ubuntu 18.04 and
Windows 10:

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--- Comment #28 from Regina Henschel  ---
Pleas try a new version of LibreOffice. It has a new option "Allow overlap" in
the "Wrap" tab of the "Properties"-dialog of the image.

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--- Comment #27 from Ulrich Windl  ---
Created attachment 163323
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Screenshot from LibreOffice 6.4.4.2 (x86)

This is a new variant of the bug:
A heading (large bold font) is mostly hidden under an image that has a caption,
but the text should flow around the frame (see setting in screenshot). However
it does not.
(When saving the file and reverting from the save file, the heading appears)

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--- Comment #26 from Ian Lewis  ---
Regarding 'overlap' of images there are basically two options (a) images should
overlap, (b) images should not overlap.

This thread has clearly fallen into a somewhat misguided 'bug vs. feature'
confusion as if these options are equally relevant. The unquestionable truth is
the *simplest* behaviour is to have the images NOT overlap (unless you suggest
HTML made the wrong choice?). At this point some well-meaning programmer will
typically suggest that is simply my personal view and there is no evidence
anyone else thinks the same but frankly that 'option neutrality' rather than
informed emphasis is why usability quirks are so pervasive in software.

In summary the the default behaviour of images overlapping from a simple embed
or cut-and-paste should take the lesson from HTML and assume the user does NOT
want that image to sit under or over some existing image. To have a word
processor fall so easily into the opposite behaviour is so egregious it's a
bug, not a feature.

As a datapoint I just wasted an hour copying this trivially simple readme into
Writer because I was fighting with the default Writer image embedding behaviour
(https://github.com/SmartCambridge/milton_road_study/blob/master/report.md)

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--- Comment #25 from Nicolas Göddel  ---
This bug is still unresolved in Version 6.2.6.2.

The anchor change from "paragraph" to "as-char" does not work either. Because
after that the image gets clipped to height of the line. Is there really
nothing to work around this stupid old issue? I am almost desperate about that
problem until I found this bug report from 2012. And now I am sad because it is
not solvable. I've got documents with hundreds of pages in them and some pages
just list some bigger images and they are overlapping each other.
Even using the contour/outline does not help. I was hoping it could help me but
it does not.

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--- Comment #24 from Buovjaga  ---
(In reply to Ulrich Windl from comment #23)
> I wonder about this type of quality assurance: Do you really think this
> problem will magically go away, without doing anything to fix it? You add
> lots of features that actually bring little benefit, but this bug is the
> most annoying bug in StarOffice/OpenOffic/LibreOffice that forces users to
> use another product to have text and graphics mixed properly.

I have replied to these sorts of questions many times, but here goes again: in
scientific tests, we consistently achieved around 25% WORKSFORME closing rate
for issues re-tested after 1 year of last activity. You can't really argue with
that success rate.

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--- Comment #23 from Ulrich Windl  ---
Created attachment 147022
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Old bug still present in document created freshly with LO Writer 6.0.6

(In reply to QA Administrators from comment #22)

> To make sure we're focusing on the bugs that affect our users today,
> LibreOffice QA is asking bug reporters and confirmers to retest open,
> confirmed bugs which have not been touched for over a year.

I wonder about this type of quality assurance: Do you really think this problem
will magically go away, without doing anything to fix it? You add lots of
features that actually bring little benefit, but this bug is the most annoying
bug in StarOffice/OpenOffic/LibreOffice that forces users to use another
product to have text and graphics mixed properly.

Summary: Bug still present in 6.0.6.2.

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--- Comment #20 from Ulrich Windl  ---
I wonder: After having seen the problem when two images of the same size were
anchored to the same paragraph, could that be part of the problem? In my case
both images had a caption and cross-references to them. When both images were
exactly lying on top of each other (what isn't allowed anyway), both figures
got the same number in the cross-reference (but not in navigator). When I moved
the top image off a bit, the number in the cross reference was updated.

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--- Comment #18 from Ulrich Windl  ---
(In reply to Jose Gómez from comment #17)
> I can confirm that this issue is still present in LibreOffice 5.2.2.2.

Even in 5.2.3.3. The problem may be inherited from OpenOffice, because it never
worked (AFAIR).

> With Anchor: As character, images behave as expected (they do not overlap),

Yes, it's the only work-around. However I hate the idea to insert dummy
paragraphs or line-breaks, just to have an anchor to position images to.

I really wonder why TeX/LaTeX can position images correctly for decades and
LibreOffice seems to be unable also for a decade at least. Is it because
everybody is using the work-around described here?

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--- Comment #17 from Jose Gómez  ---
I can confirm that this issue is still present in LibreOffice 5.2.2.2.

I insert a big image in the document. I then insert a second one, and it sits
on top of the previous one, so I can only see the second image.

This is with Anchor: To paragraph, and Wrap off.

With Anchor: As character, images behave as expected (they do not overlap),
which should probably be the default. It's fine to be able to override images.
But I don't think that is the most common use case. One typically want images
to be visible in the document.

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 Status|UNCONFIRMED |NEW
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This has been confirmed. Comment 4 has clear reproducible steps.

Setting to NEW.

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--- Comment #14 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
Should have included this:

Ubuntu 14.10 x 64
LibreOffice 4.3.2.2 release

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--- Comment #12 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
We don't prioritize bugs based on a subjective this affects ME a lot. This
bug can slow down professional quality work but will not completely prevent it.
Thus by our objective definition this is minor.

That being said, the priority/severity is just a guidance for developers, they
are free to ignore it and if a developer agrees with you they will volunteer to
fix it.

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--- Comment #9 from Beluga todven...@suomi24.fi ---
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 Created attachment 89837 [details]
 Sample (simplified) text document with images overlapping without intention
 to do so

Confirmed, but I'm hesitant to set as NEW without comments from QA.

Win 7 64-bit Version: 4.4.0.0.alpha2+
Build ID: b021b5983c62e266b82d9f0c5c6d8d8900553827
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--- Comment #10 from Ulrich Windl ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensburg.de ---
I really don't understand why you set the importance of this bus to minor:
For me this bug makes the product unusable, because it fails to do what TeX can
do for many many years (process images without hiding one behind the other).

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--- Comment #11 from Ulrich Windl ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensburg.de ---
(I misspelled comment #10)
... the importance of this bus ...
should read
... the importance of this bug ...

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Never confirmed by QA team - moving to UNCONFIRMED to get QA to confirm it.
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--- Comment #6 from Ulrich Windl ulrich.wi...@rz.uni-regensburg.de ---
The bug has a big tradition, and it's still present in 4.1.2. I'll attach a
non-trivial example where images are much smaller than one page, and they did
not overlap until some image and text was changed. Even now reformatting
everything does not fix the problem. Why can TeX do it and
OpenOffice/LibreOffice not?

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--- Comment #5 from Thomas W twhitmore.nz.pub...@gmail.com ---
I found this bug, just today, in 3.6.2.2, when trying to paste screenshots into
a document.

LO Writer placed the first couple of screenshots properly, inline in the
document, but for the third (perhaps when the insertion-point was too close to
the second screenshot's anchor) it decided to place absolutely positioned on
the page rather than flowing to the next.

I managed to work around it.

But hey, when I saved  re-opened the documents to verify they were OK before
sending (this was actual work, not just a test) the image scaling had been
completely lost  they were cropped at page-right with only 3/4 of the image
visible. Utterly unusable.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 57599] Stop overlapping images

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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57599

--- Comment #4 from Owen Genat owen.ge...@gmail.com ---
I am adding an update to this bug that provides an example of the problem. If
the Graphics frame style has been defined with:

- Anchor To paragraph[1]
- Wrap None

Then, regardless of the graphic size, Writer should attempt to prevent image
overlap. 

Steps to reproduce (using LO v4.1.2.2 under Ubuntu 10.04):
1. Download and save the AskLO site logo:
http://ask.libreoffice.org/m/tdf/media/images/tdf-logo.png
2. Open Writer.
3. Insert the AskLO logo into the document (Insert  Picture  From File...).
By default, the graphic is inserted with Anchor To paragraph and Wrap
Optimal Page Wrap.
4. Right-click on the image  Picture...  Wrap tab  under Settings select
None. Click OK.
5. In the Styles and Formatting panel pull down the New Style from Selection
button at top-right and select Update Style.
6. De-select the graphic (click on the carriage return that is now after the
inserted graphic).
7. Insert a second copy of the AskLO logo into the document (Insert  Picture 
From File...). 

Observed behaviour:
Second logo directly overlaps the first instance, even though right-click now
shows it is using Anchor To paragraph and Wrap None.

Expected behaviour:
I think most users would expect the second instance of the graphic to observe
the Wrap None setting and be placed beneath the first graphic.

[1] It is currently not possible to set anchoring for a frame style, by editing
the style. This is described in bug #32484, which this bug may depend on.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 57599] Stop overlapping images

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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57599

QA Administrators qa-ad...@libreoffice.org changed:

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--- Comment #2 from QA Administrators qa-ad...@libreoffice.org ---
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Please provide the requested information as soon as possible and mark the bug
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INVALID due to lack of needed information.

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 57599] Stop overlapping images

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https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57599

Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net changed:

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 Status|NEEDINFO|REOPENED

--- Comment #3 from Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net ---
writer should not overlap images by default especially when they format asks to
clear everything around them. Clear means leave my image alone

This is especially annoying when the inserted images make most of a page
surface (big images, scanned images, whatever)

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[Libreoffice-bugs] [Bug 57599] Stop overlapping images

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Rainer Bielefeld libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Rainer Bielefeld libreoff...@bielefeldundbuss.de ---
Sounds like a user error. Of course you can overlap pictures, it's a feature,
not a bug.

@Nicolas Mailhot
Thank you for your report – unfortunately important information is missing.
May be hints on http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport will help you to
find out what information will be useful to reproduce your problem? 
Please:
- Write a meaningful Summary describing exactly what the problem is
- Attach a sample document (not only screenshot) or refer to an existing 
  sample document in an other Bug with a link; to attach a file to this 
  bug report, just click on Add an attachment right on this page.
- Attach screenshots with comments if you believe that that might explain the 
  problem better than a text comment. Best way is to insert your screenshots
  into a DRAW document and to add comments that explain what you want to show
  (attachment 68877, attachment 68490)
- Contribute a document related step by step instruction containing every 
  key press and every mouse click how to reproduce your problem 
  (similar to example in Bug 43431)
– if possible contribute an instruction how to create a sample document 
  from the scratch
- add information 
  -- what EXACTLY is unexpected
  -- and WHY do you believe it's unexpected (cite Help or Documentation!)
  -- concerning your PC (video card, ...)
  –- Libo settings that might be related to your problems 
  -- everything else crossing your mind after you read linked texts

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