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 Attachment #147835|0   |1
is obsolete||

--- Comment #18 from Timur  ---
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Personal LO replacement table

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--- Comment #17 from Timur  ---
Created attachment 147835
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Personal LO replacement table

I attach personal LO replacement table. Not claiming it's proper. But we should
have this updated.

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--- Comment #15 from Ulrich Windl  ---
The problem with a font substitution table is that, while fonts are similar,
they are not the same. Even if the glyphs look identical, there my be
significant differences in kerning information.
So what the use typically sees if a font is missing and was substituted, is an
ugly or broken layout (caused by different kerning, character spacing, or line
spacing). (You can see this effect in PDFs also where the kerning information
is basically hard-coded (glyphs positioned absolutely), but the fonts can be
missing.)
My personal preference over a manually edited (and probably huge) font
substitution table is using typeface information (like PANOSE
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PANOSE)) to find ou which fonts are similar to
each other. I don't know whether Windows or other OSes support it, but I
remember that Smalltalk-80 had it in the 80ies ;-) Of course the usefulness of
typeface metadata depend on its accuracy. If people just copy it blindly from
another font, it will be hardly useful...

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   Hardware|x86 (IA32)  |All
   Severity|major   |enhancement

--- Comment #14 from Yousuf Philips (jay)  ---
(In reply to João Paulo from comment #13)
> On Comment #10 I made a partial patch enabling font substitutions of fonts I
> know are drop-in replacements. However, I don't know how to add the patch to
> LibreOffice: I'm no developer, just an advanced user with configuration and
> script skills.

If you would like to send in your patch, you can follow instructions here to
learn how to do so.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/gerrit

> Could someone please add the patch to the source code?

Unfortunately the file has been modified since your patch, so i cant identify
just the changes you have made, but if you can grab the latest version of the
file below[1] and make the changes, i could push it in on your behalf if you
add yourself to the contributor's list[2].

[1]
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/plain/officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/VCL.xcu
[2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Developers

> Also, answering to Comment #12, this is not a bug, but an enhancement
> request.

I've change the bug type to enhancement.

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--- Comment #13 from João Paulo  ---
On Comment #10 I made a partial patch enabling font substitutions of fonts I
know are drop-in replacements. However, I don't know how to add the patch to
LibreOffice: I'm no developer, just an advanced user with configuration and
script skills.

Could someone please add the patch to the source code?

Also, answering to Comment #12, this is not a bug, but an enhancement request.

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--- Comment #11 from Timur  ---
Reading Comment 6 here and the similar
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91004#c7, I understand that
Linux (and Mac) first runs fontconfig and Windows first runs Font Substitution
Table. 
If it so, Help should be amended to clarify that priority:
https://help.libreoffice.org/index.php?title=5.1/Common/Fonts=en-US
Before I open a new bug, please confirm.

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--- Comment #10 from João Paulo  ---
Created attachment 118408
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vcl.xcu partial patch

Partial patch containing extra font substitutions for the following fonts:

- Lobster -> Lobster Two
- Utopia <-> Heuristica

(these were added to other places as well)
- CenturySchL <-> TeXGyreSchola
- NimbusMonL <-> TeXGyreCursor
- NimbusMono <-> TeXGyreCursor

Bitstream Vera and DejaVu font families weren't altered, as they were already
there.

More will be added with time. Please test this patch.

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--- Comment #9 from João Paulo  ---
Just recently found (via Google) the page
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Localization_Guide/Advanced_Source_Code_Modifications
with some instructions on how to edit vcl.xcu. I will try it this weekend.

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I am trying to understand the
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/VCL.xcu
file format so I could add the substitutions.

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Caolán McNamara caol...@redhat.com changed:

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Summary|CONFIGURATION: Font |CONFIGURATION: Enhance Font
   |Substitution Table  |Substitution Table

--- Comment #6 from Caolán McNamara caol...@redhat.com ---
re not reporting the font is not installed and is being substituted

in 4.1 the font name is italicized in the font selectors if it's not installed,
so that's fixed now.

re having a substitution table, so...

for most Unix platforms e.g Linux we run the font through fontconfig which has
a pile of rules and tables to give the best replacement font. So on those
platforms this is taken care of, and on MacOSX there's a similar built-in
MacOSX thing I believe.

The remaining issue is Windows, there we use our built-in tables in
registry/data/org/openoffice/VCL.xcu
(http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/VCL.xcu)
see near the end, the section starting with node oor:name=FontSubstitutions
so we should already have the bitstreamverasans replacements for example.

It shouldn't be too hard to add to add extra entries or improve the existing
ones. Not something for me though, seeing as it doesn't affect the platform I
develop on.

I suggest you have a go at adding what entries are missing there from your own
list and submit the result to us. See
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Patch_Handling_Guidelines for
some help.

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