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--- Comment #51 from Proj  ---
I experienced the something similar when trying to print an 8.5x13 paper size
document. Even after I set the document size to 8.5x13 on the print properties,
it shows that it is set to "German Legal Fanfold 8.50in x 13.00in, but when I
try to print it goes back to Letter size or when I open "Properties" again. Am
I missing a "Save Settings" button or something?

I am printing to a network printer (EPSON L1455), it has two cassettes
(Cassette 1 is set to Letter size and Cassette 2 is set to 8.5x13). I tried
opening the file on Office Word and printing from there, it worked normally.

I recently updated to 7.1.1.2 but I don't know if this was a problem in
previous versions, I usually save to PDF before printing anything but I was
trying to print something out quickly and found this problem.

I copy pasted this comment from 115481 because I realized it was possibly a
duplicate of this.

Version: 7.1.1.2 (x64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: fe0b08f4af1bacafe4c7ecc87ce55bb426164676
CPU threads: 4; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19042; UI render: Skia/Raster; VCL: win
Locale: en-US (en_US); UI: en-US
Calc: threaded

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--- Comment #48 from Buovjaga  ---
As one of the dupes is for Linux, I will include this note from Dave of Largo:
"On Linux, if you are using LibreOffice and the Tabloid paper size does not
appear, it's because that size is not in the PPD file. In our case, HP did not
have that paper size in the file. I hacked in the paper size and metrics and
it's working."

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--- Comment #47 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to Timur from comment #45)
> Sorry for reverting, I can't test now, but duplicates also need to be
> checked. 
> If all correct, not Fixed but WorksForMe.
It might also be that some duplicates are in the end not exactly the same, so
need special attention/more refined description.. We'll see ;)

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--- Comment #46 from Tom  ---
(In reply to Charles from comment #42)
> Actually, I just checked, and this is now working for me!
> 
> I have the page set to Tabloid in Libreoffice (6.1.4.2, Windows 10 x64).
> 
> I would really like a 'Fit To Page' auto-zoom option in the Print Dialog,
> but other than that, it printed perfectly.
> 
> Tom - not sure why you said what you did about Ledger/Tabloid, they are
> perfectly acceptable and legitimate paper sizes:
> 
> https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/office-paper-sizes-d_213.html

Most printers are not made to be US specific, but for worldwide use. So why
would a printer manufacturer want to use Tabloid/Ledger when it is obvious to
them that they are both 11x17.  Portrait vs Landscape works on 11x17 just like
it does for the other sizes.

Both Irfranview and Adobe Acrobat refer to printers as US B (11x17) and Super B
(13x19) which is EXACTLY how my Epson Artisan 1439 Refers to those sizes.
Sometimes the US standard is just plain stupid.

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Sorry for reverting, I can't test now, but duplicates also need to be checked. 
If all correct, not Fixed but WorksForMe.

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--- Comment #44 from Charles  ---
Oh - and a huge THANK YOU to whoever did end up fixing this!

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--- Comment #43 from Charles  ---
I am setting this to Fixed, since it is now fixed (for me).

I'm not sure what version fixed it, because I got tired of testing it a long
time ago. I decided to try again because of these recent emails saying it isn't
working.

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--- Comment #41 from Michael Meeks  ---
Hmm - the step that says "connect to a printer that supports Tabloid size" - is
that necessary ? or can this be reproduced when exporting to PDF ? - knowing
that would help to isolate where the issue is: ie. our built-in paper sizes, or
what Windows is reporting for its printer / paper sizes.

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--- Comment #40 from Tom  ---
Comment on attachment 149300
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list of code pointers ...

I am not a programmer,but

Looking at the printer setup in WordPerfect, I find,
  US B (11 x 17in)
  Super B (13 x 19in)
for my printer, an Epson Artisan 1430. Similar info should be available in MS
Office for similar wide format printers.

Looking at the 'Index of Code Pointers' I see Tabloid and Ledger.  Neither are
legitimate paper sizes and as used here Ledger is the LANDSCAPE version of
Tabloid.  That is wrong.

Any paper size can be printed on in either portrait or landscape by software
interpretation can it not?

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--- Comment #39 from Michael Meeks  ---
Created attachment 149300
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list of code pointers ...

For anyone frustrated by this, who wants to become an expert in exactly this
feature - I think it would take a few hours of reading, research and note
taking for the average user to read through the code pointers I just attached
using a web browser and gitweb and try to reason why the Tabloid page size is
wrong.

Anyone with a reasonably credible suggestion as to why the page size is wrong 
in this situation in terms of specific bits of code will be taken very
seriously.

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--- Comment #38 from Tom  ---
Still, as of today, the latest version of LO Calc fails to work with a large
spreadsheet and 11" x 17" paper in EITHER Portrait or Landscape mode.  Looking
at previous comments about this, I sense there is no great urgency to fix this
problem on the part of the developers/maintainers.  Even though the fix appears
to be an easy one.

One comment asked for a reason to fix the problem  Here it is!

IF the problem is not fixed, neither LO nor OO will maintain any traction in
the corporate world against MS Office.  EVERY time a spreadsheet user gets
upset that their document didn't print is another nail in the coffin of LO &
OO.  I am no longer in the business world,so my needs are fewer now.

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--- Comment #37 from Tom  ---
So this bug ...;

1. Has a workaround, and
2. Is inherited from OO, and
3. Applies ONLY to the Calc component of LO (and OO).

FIX the spreadsheet ...,
1.  Find and replace "Tabloid" in the printer section of Calc, or
2.  Replace the Calc printer code with that from Writer

PLEASE!

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--- Comment #35 from Janny Watson  ---
These bugs are more common in, the current behaviour of the printer began to
change because of this you can try
https://hpetechnicalsupportnumber.com/blog/fix-hp-printer-error-state-problems/
that make your all problems solve and manage the print accurately.

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--- Comment #34 from Cor Nouws  ---
(In reply to haim kilov from comment #33)
> The bug exists on a Mac (10.9.5).
> 
> Workaround: create a PDF file and print from it.
> 
> However, it is very annoying...

Looks the same as me trying to print a landscape format on Linux. Nope... PDF
helps.
So more similar or related issues..

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--- Comment #33 from haim kilov  ---
The bug exists on a Mac (10.9.5).

Workaround: create a PDF file and print from it.

However, it is very annoying...

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--- Comment #31 from g...@ahksheetmetal.com ---
I have two network printers that I print from...one for letter (8-1/2" x 11")
size and one for tabloid (11" x 17") size. When I try to print a document in
tabloid size, I am given the option to print 11" x 17" on the printer that can
only print in letter size, however on the printer that prints in tabloid size
the dialog box keeps reverting to letter size for printing. Go figure.

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Set back to NEW as this bug has already been confirmed. 

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--- Comment #29 from QA Administrators  ---
Dear Bug Submitter,

This bug has been in NEEDINFO status with no change for at least
6 months. Please provide the requested information as soon as
possible and mark the bug as UNCONFIRMED. Due to regular bug
tracker maintenance, if the bug is still in NEEDINFO status with
no change in 30 days the QA team will close the bug as INSUFFICIENTDATA
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For more information about our NEEDINFO policy please read the
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--- Comment #28 from Jean-Baptiste Faure  ---
Please, could you try to check the third option in the Option tab of the print
dialog : "Use only paper size from printer preferences" ?

Set status to NEEDINFO.

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--- Comment #27 from Cor Nouws  ---
@bhofman

(In reply to bfoman (afk) from comment #10)

> Like here?
> http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/i18nutil/source/utility/paper.
> cxx#76
> 
> Also I have found it is defined as PAPER_USER here:
> http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sc/source/filter/excel/xlpage.
> cxx#82

(line #81 currently)
> 
> But it seems that the fallback doesn't work.

You mean that you would expect that when one enters 11 and 17 inch, that the
Format would indicate 'User' ?

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--- Comment #26 from tommy27 ba...@quipo.it ---
(In reply to Charles from comment #1)
 This bug is inherited from Openoffice and is at least 3 years old, but I
 suspect it is much older.
 
 AOO bug filed in July of 2010 is here:
 
 https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=112863

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--- Comment #25 from Michael Meeks michael.me...@collabora.com ---
 Well then, non-programmers should really move on ...

to become programmers =) All existing programmers started off as
non-programmers. There is nothing magical or mysterious about software. I'm
happy to help -anyone- learn that wants to get involved and fix this thing:
with code-pointers, help building etc. It is entirely possible for a
technically-literate (ie. knows what bugzilla is and how to create an account
;-) person to invest a week of their time on this and get a far better
understanding of exactly this code and make the  fix I think. Anyone that wants
to make a positive contribution here is far more than welcome to contact me.
What doesn't work is attacking developers and/or the project to make them think
your bug is more important =)

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--- Comment #23 from Michael Meeks michael.me...@collabora.com ---
 I'm surprised it has lasted this long

This is down to no-one being motivated enough to fix it =) who could that
person be - as the National Lottery says: it could be you ?

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--- Comment #24 from Robert gnu...@gmail.com ---
That's a common response: why don't you fix it?

Well then, non-programmers should really move on to other suites.

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   What|Removed |Added

   Priority|highest |high
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--- Comment #21 from Robinson Tryon (qubit) qu...@runcibility.com ---
LibreOffice development currently prioritizes bugs with the so
called MAB (most annoying bugs). As this bug has not run
through that process (including writing a short rationale for
this bug being a candidate and other who are watching the
tracker bug silently approving that rationale etc), its priority
is set to high. Note this is effectively no change in the
urgency assigned to this bug, as we are currently not making a
difference between high and highest and severity is untouched.

You can find out more about MABs and how the process works by
contacting the QA Team on IRC:

http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=libreoffice-qa

The QA wiki page also gives you hints on how to get in contact
with the team (if IRC fails you, your next best choice is the
mailing list):

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA

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Robert gnu...@gmail.com changed:

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   Priority|high|highest
 CC||gnu...@gmail.com
Version|unspecified |4.3.4.1 release

--- Comment #20 from Robert gnu...@gmail.com ---
Whatever the Priority is, this bug creates a dead end for users requiring
tabloid printing (myself included).

Printing to A0 works. I'm curious if adding Ledger size (17 x 11) would
survive the printer stack (users could correct orientation with Landscape vs
Portrait).

Also, paper Size User should never revert back to ANY named paper size: it
should simply pass this to the printer and give the printer driver a CHANCE to
determine page size.

This problem can be reproduced on 4.3.4.1 on Mac OS X.

At least assign it to someone. It has existed since OpenOffice, most office
have ANSI D paper sizes, and, on that note, paper size names should be
consistent. Metric and other paper sizes are named, and North American sizes
are sized or nicknamed; not ANSI A/B/C/D/E. Might as well add Arch A/B/C/D/E
while you're at it.

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I'm sorry you had a bad experience.

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--- Comment #19 from Charles tansta...@libertytrek.org ---
Thanks Michael.

In fact I really am sorry that I sometimes let my frustrations get the better
of me.

If I was independently wealthy and/or a software developer, I would absolutely
participate directly, adopting probably 10 or 20 of my pet bugs in every FLOSS
project I use, and sponsor new features, etc... but alas, I am not, so all I
can do is beg, and sometimes say thank you!.

So... thank you, Libreoffice devs, for Libreoffice - it isn't perfect (nothing
is), and works, and works well for most things and in most cases, and really
does seem to be getting much better as time goes on... :)

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--- Comment #12 from Charles tansta...@libertytrek.org ---
Hi Chuck,

I guess you could say it is related because it is also a print issue, but that
is about all.

This bug is about a very easy to reproduce, persistent problem - it is
IMPOSSIBLE to print to an 11x17 (Tabloid) size paper on Windows.

The only workaround I've been able to find is print Letter to PDF, then print
the PDF, and change the paper size to Tabloid, which works every time.

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   What|Removed |Added

   Severity|normal  |major
   Priority|medium  |high

--- Comment #13 from Charles tansta...@libertytrek.org ---
Well, crap, now this workaround stopped working...

Joel - you say this isn't a critical bug? Say that in a company with 50+_
employees, all of whom at different times work with very large spreadsheets and
need to actually be able to print to Tabloid sized paper available on their
expensive copiers.

You'll quickly find how arrogant your personal assessment is.

This is an absolute BLOCKER for us, and has caused our boss to ask me to start
rolling out Microsoft Office.

The sad thing is, the lack of response to this bug really gives me ZERO
argument against it.

Word, Excel and Powerpoint all have been printing just fine on Tabloid this
entire time.

(In reply to comment #6)
 Ok, I found an annoying workaround that is impractical for companies using
 (or trying to use( Libreoffice as their primary Office platform.
 
 File  Print  Options
 
 Then check the box Use only paper size from printer preferences
 
 The problem is I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get this pref
 to 'stick'.
 
 Guess I need to go open a new bug for that one too...

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--- Comment #14 from Joel Madero jmadero@gmail.com ---
A couple things here:

1. Our assessment (QA) does not imply that devs will fix the problem. We do not
push bugs onto devs, they volunteer to accept them. Even if this was set to
blocker - highest it would not guarantee (or even imply) that it would get
more attention.

2. If you are using this for enterprise use, then well, perhaps you could
consider giving back to the community and paying for support to have this
blocker bug fixed. 50+ computers using LibreOffice, I would imagine you have
the funds to help us help you. I could give you the names of several companies
that offer paid support.

3. Arrogantwell, there's nothing I enjoy better than waking up,
volunteering hundreds of hours of my time, and being called names. 

On that note, I'm removing myself from cc

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--- Comment #15 from bfoman bfo.bugm...@spamgourmet.com ---
(In reply to comment #13)
 Joel - you say this isn't a critical bug? Say that in a company with 50+_
 employees, all of whom at different times work with very large spreadsheets
 and need to actually be able to print to Tabloid sized paper available on
 their expensive copiers.
 You'll quickly find how arrogant your personal assessment is.
 This is an absolute BLOCKER for us, and has caused our boss to ask me to
 start rolling out Microsoft Office.
 The sad thing is, the lack of response to this bug really gives me ZERO
 argument against it.
 Word, Excel and Powerpoint all have been printing just fine on Tabloid this
 entire time.

Joel is not arrogant, it is general policy of this project: 
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/BugTriage#Step_6._Prioritize_Bug
Also see what was recently added at
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport#After_you_submit_a_bug.
If this bug is blocker for you - then stop complaining demanding a fix - fix it
yourself or persuade your boss to be LibreOffice donator and pay for a fix in
true open source spirit... That is the reality.
The list of certified LibreOffice developers:
http://www.documentfoundation.org/certification/developers/

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--- Comment #16 from dfreri...@rrwrd.dst.il.us ---
I was able to find a workaround for our Xerox printer. I could not print to
tabloid with the PostScript Driver that was installed, but by installing
another instance of this printer with the PCL5 driver, I can now print to
tabloid from LibreOffice.

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--- Comment #17 from Charles tansta...@libertytrek.org ---
Arrogant was a poor choice of words, but the fact is, responses like 'why don't
you just pay someone to fix it' for fundamental flaws in software that is
advertised on the main Libreoffice Home Page as:

LibreOffice 4.3: today, you can’t own a better office suite

is just ridiculous.

Maybe there should be disclaimers on the web page like:

Oh... wait... you mean you want to actually be able to print to standard size
paper sizes like Tabloid (11x17)?

Oh... wait... you mean you want to actually be able to use the newer versions
*and* be able to paste into your Input fields, like you were able to do since
Openoffice 1.0, but that was broken in the 4.2 series?

Well, then, you need to stop whining and pony up...

Sorry - it is much easier to just stop fighting and let the boss buy Microsoft
Office licenses... which he has already apparently decided to do, so this is
really a moot point I guess. Sad, really...

It's been a long road since we started using Openoffice (1.0), with ups and
downs, but just too many downs in the last few years. The major problems
started with poor compatibility with the new OOXML file formats - NOT the
Libreoffice developers fault, and I totally understand this, but it didn't
change the fact that we started getting more and more documents over time that
would actually crash Libreoffice consistently. The crashes eventually stopped,
and the compatibility got better, but combined with these showstopper (for us)
bugs - one having been present for YEARS (this bug) and the other a major
regression that has existed during the entire lifecycle of one major release
(4.2) and still exists in the first release of 4.3 (the inability to paste into
Input fields in 4.2+ versions) - well, it is just a last straw kind of thing...

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--- Comment #11 from chuck.pob...@gmail.com ---
Perhaps bug 81065 is related. There seems to be a problem with libreoffice
accepting the paper size/orientation from the printer preferences.

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This is not a critical bug - please don't change priorities

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--- Comment #10 from bfoman bfo.bugm...@spamgourmet.com ---
(In reply to comment #7)
 2. Create an alternate/secondary name that has the exact same paper size
 that Libreoffice falls back to if 'Tabloid' is unavailable on the target
 printer.

Like here?
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/i18nutil/source/utility/paper.cxx#76

Also I have found it is defined as PAPER_USER here:
http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/xref/core/sc/source/filter/excel/xlpage.cxx#82

But it seems that the fallback doesn't work.

 Would some kind soul *please please please* fix this? It can't be that hard
 can it? I mean, it should just be a string change or something...

This is open source project - if you want something done, do it yourself and
contribute a patch ;). You can do a string change and compile own build. Easy
peasy.

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--- Comment #7 from Charles tansta...@libertytrek.org ---
This bug is very simple.

Every Copier/Printer I've checked that is capable of printing to Letter, Legal
and Tabloid size paper refer to these sizes as:

Letter (8.50 x 11.00)
Legal (8.50 x 14.00)
and
11x17 (11.00 x 17.00)

LibreOffice/AOO both refer to these sizes as:

Letter (8.50 x 11.00)
Legal (8.50 x 14.00)
and
Tabloid (11.00 x 17.00)

This is the exact cause of this problem - since the Paper Size Name of
'Tabloid' doesn't exist on the target printer, Libreoffice falls back to the
default of 'Letter'.

So, as far as I can see, there are only two ways to fix this:

1. Change the Paper Size Name from 'Tabloid' to '11x17', or

2. Create an alternate/secondary name that has the exact same paper size that
Libreoffice falls back to if 'Tabloid' is unavailable on the target printer.

Would some kind soul *please please please* fix this? It can't be that hard can
it? I mean, it should just be a string change or something...

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--- Comment #8 from Charles tansta...@libertytrek.org ---
(In reply to comment #6)
 Ok, I found an annoying workaround that is impractical for companies using
 (or trying to use( Libreoffice as their primary Office platform.
 
 File  Print  Options
 
 Then check the box Use only paper size from printer preferences
 
 The problem is I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get this pref
 to 'stick'.
 
 Guess I need to go open a new bug for that one too...

Done:

https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=79077

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   What|Removed |Added

Summary|: Print Compnent fails to   |: Print Component fails to
   |recognize 'Tabloid' as  |recognize 'Tabloid' as
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--- Comment #6 from Charles tansta...@libertytrek.org ---
Ok, I found an annoying workaround that is impractical for companies using (or
trying to use( Libreoffice as their primary Office platform.

File  Print  Options

Then check the box Use only paper size from printer preferences

The problem is I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get this pref to
'stick'.

Guess I need to go open a new bug for that one too...

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